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7/12/2001
Ok. I remembered the other embarassing loss for Vlad. He lost to Gelfand in the FIDE qualifiers in 1993 or 92..
Srini
- Thursday, July 12, 2001 at 01:42:48 (CEST)

7/12/2001
Theorem: "Kramnik is sole world champion". Proof: "Refer to Note by DTSteel, 7/9/2001". Assumption: FIDE (The Intl Org) title is the real WCC. As other PRIVATE matches are not democratic. Contradictions: 1. "Lasker defeated Steinitz, but with no cycle preceding. Does that mean Lasker was not world champion?" Yes. It was a private match. 2. "If so, who was?" Firstly there were no established International Org (like FIDE). Hence open to speculation. In case of Gary Kasparov, he gave up his World Title in 1993 after the Coup he pulled of with Short. Hence the match between Vlad and Gary and that of Gary and Anand (1995) should be private matches. 3. "world champion historically has been the best match player". In this case your argument for "Vlad being World champion" is completely wrong. Based on his match record he has 2 wins (one against Yudasin, 2nd aagainst Gary). He has lost all other matcjhes including, the lates loss to Anand (even if it was Rapid chess) in Mainz, Kamsky in 1995 and Shirov in Cazorla (1998?).. Dont remember other embarassing losses@the moment for Vlad. 4."He's the world #2, has a great lifetime record against Kasparov, and hadn't been given a chance yet (like Anand)". Firstly we are talking about a private match again. In any case this Private match atleast had some legit to it as it had a qualification cycle. Here's the results. Anand qualifies for the PCA (initial Candidates round) then beat Oleg Romanishing in QF, Michael Adams in SF and Gata Kamsky in Canary Islands in 1995, before qualifying to play Gary. HENCE THE SPOT WAS NOT GIVEN TO ANAND. HE EARNED IT. Now Vlad definitely did not do that, in fact he lost to Shirov in the qualifying match that Anand refuesed to play. Go figure. 5. Even if you dont consider FIDE WCC good enough.. do you acknowledge its democratic? No special previliges for anybody? Thanks. -srini
Srini
- Thursday, July 12, 2001 at 01:28:36 (CEST)

7/12/2001
Hello There Stop fighting
Foo
- Thursday, July 12, 2001 at 01:12:57 (CEST)

7/9/2001
Theorem: Kramnik is sole world champion. Proof: In order to become world champion, you must defeat the previous champion in a match. The candidates cycle is irrelevant. Kramnik defeated Kasparov, therefore Kramnik is champion. Example: Lasker defeated Steinitz, but with no cycle preceding. Does that mean Lasker was not world champion? If so, who was? Remark: The FIDE Championships is a knockout tournament. Note the use of the word tournament. The 'matches' involved are not really matches in any traditional sense. Thus (a) the FIDE champion does not have to win any real 'match' (b) the FIDE champion does not have to defeat the previous champion to gain the title (a) is important as the world champion historically has been the best match player. That is the player who no body could defeat in a prolonged one on one contest. That player is not neccesarily the best tournament player, for example Petrosian held the title but never had great tournament success. Also, in less abstract terms, who was there more suited to challenge Kasparov than Kramnik? He's the world #2, has a great lifetime record against Kasparov, and hadn't been given a chance yet (like Anand). Seems like a good choice. What about Shirov you say? Well, no doubt he would have made a good breakfast, er, challenger for Kasparov. Self-mate in two anybody? Also, lets remember that Kasparov defended his title 3 times in the 8 year-ish period he held it after breaking from FIDE. Thats more often than the regular 3 year rate. I'm just saying we should calm down here and take a look at the past and present before we judge too harshly.
DTSteel <dsteel@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
Berkeley, California USA - Monday, July 09, 2001 at 07:11:34 (CEST)

7/2/2001
From the logical point of view Kramnik is completely wrong. He had qualified for the match with Kasparov as the loser of Cazorla. Therefore, it is Kasparov, the loser in London, who should be considered the champ, not him.
Dubbs
- Monday, July 02, 2001 at 03:05:12 (CEST)

6/30/2001
Heres a clip of an interview given by Big Bad Vlad in Mainz Germany, 2 days ago. Read it. Heres what I dont understand. Vlad claims El Khalif and Anand should be called WC 1 & 2 as the Fide WCC follows a different knockout format. Ok. Agreed.. NOW How the fuck does Vlad's claim to be number 14 come tru?, when he was selected to play the final by the hairy ape and DID NOT HAVE TO QUALIFY THROUGH AN INTENSIVE CNADIDATES TOURN??? Where is the legit for his title then?? Metz: From my point of view the debate was mainly focussed around the titles that were put after the signatures - in particular your number as 14th world champion. When I asked Viswanathan Anand about that issue, he stressed that Alexander Chalifman and himself have the right to be called nos. 14 and 15 in the history of world chess champions. Kramnik: I would like to take this opportunity to highlight my viewpoint: firstly, I could not care less which number I am given. This does not make any difference. If you want to be very pedantic or very exact you have to take a look at the format of current world championships. The FIDE world championship, which is organised as a knockout tournament, has no connection with the traditional evolution of chess titles that were held by Lasker, Steinitz or Alekhine. These 14 world champions, if you count me as 14th, have in common that they achieved the title as winner of a final duel. This history goes back further than FIDE. If they lay claim to have the right system, and I'm not a legal world champion, the association should start a new system of counting, without reference to Lasker, Capablanca and Alekhine. From a logical point of view they are utterly wrong. But generally speaking, I do not care what method they use to count.
Srini
- Saturday, June 30, 2001 at 01:34:57 (CEST)

6/29/2001
Come on Tom, we're waiting! Start celebrating.
Oldsock
- Friday, June 29, 2001 at 08:00:32 (CEST)

6/28/2001
OK Tom, let's celebrate chess. You go first.
Oldsock
- Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 13:23:54 (CEST)

6/27/2001
Chess players and fans are the perfect example of the difference between intelligence and wisdom. Wise people would rave about the chess playing abilities of these great champions. Intelligent, but unwise people, would act more like Ficsher and always find problems, complaints and conspiracies. I realize that this site "brings out the fringe" but geez Chess should be celebrated, not denegrated. When Chess gets dragged into the morass of international politics - such as Nato - and the title of this site - Democracy - I think that it is a sign that really smart people haven't found enough to do with their brains. Celebrate Chess, and go fight your other political battles in the proper forum. (Aren't I a know-it-all? Peace)
Tom Buglas <tbuglas@ezehosting.com>
Canada - Wednesday, June 27, 2001 at 11:06:22 (CEST)

6/25/2001
Read about the enduring relationship between Apartheid South Africa and Israel: http://www.islam.co.za/themessage/thesis/thesis_5/toc.htm Here, I think the brushstrokes prove more revealing than the big picture itself.
Bullet
- Monday, June 25, 2001 at 01:52:36 (CEST)

6/20/2001
Thanx for the link, bullet. Mr.Johnson got it all right.
proletarian2
- Wednesday, June 20, 2001 at 13:57:02 (CEST)

6/17/2001
M Raphael Johnson "Imperial Russia: Lies & Myth of the Establishment." Have a listen, http://www.revisionism.com/authentic_history/index.html
Bullet
- Sunday, June 17, 2001 at 08:37:34 (CEST)

6/14/2001
Please give Shirov's affidavit in English translation. Thanks.
Oldsock
- Thursday, June 14, 2001 at 23:25:42 (CEST)

6/12/2001
Re:(Lumpen-Proletarian 5/23/2001) Dont worry about Anand's participation in the next WCC. If its held he will be there. Cheers.
Srini
- Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 01:46:06 (CEST)

6/12/2001
Re: proletarian2. Maybe you should save it for the on coming 10 game Rapid match between Anand and Kramnik @ Mainz. I would be more happy if he wins there.. though I do think he will be a slight favourite, atleast for me. Re: Bullet. I think what bothers you is Gary's absense and not Shirov's participation. No decent organizer wants to deal with Gary and now that he is not even World Champion who cares :)
Srini
- Tuesday, June 12, 2001 at 00:37:24 (CEST)

6/10/2001
Srini, congrats with the win of Anand in Leon! He is both the World Champ and the Biggest Vibrator Man! Only Roshal the Racist ("64") robbed him of Oscar-2000.
proletarian2
- Sunday, June 10, 2001 at 21:18:27 (CEST)

6/9/2001
Why is Shirov competing in this farcical Kasparovian man-vibrator contest? He should be lying on a beach somewhere plotting his revenge.
Bullet
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 03:31:33 (CEST)

6/9/2001
The Lugano Report is the new Protocols ;)
Bullet
- Saturday, June 09, 2001 at 03:28:54 (CEST)

6/8/2001
you will never see each other again
proletarian2
- Friday, June 08, 2001 at 20:46:06 (CEST)

6/4/2001
Re: Srini "Errare umanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum" is "To mistake is human, to insist is diabolic". Re:Max: totally agree with you &see you soon.
L.
Estonia - Monday, June 04, 2001 at 22:20:38 (CEST)

6/2/2001
Check my posting of 9/18/2000. Hey DUM " L" ever predict anything so accurate? Fuck Nostra Damus
Srini
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 19:12:43 (CEST)

6/2/2001
Re: Max. English please or Hindi or Tamil. Thanks.
Srini
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 19:01:44 (CEST)

6/2/2001
Re:oldsock. The story can be traced back to August 2000. There is no reason for our President to give gratuitous chess lectures for US citizen. With saved money they are likely to play more havoc all over the world. Re:suat a. We try to update this site regularly. Every Saturday a new issue of Satyricon is published. We can't provide for timely translations of all our materials. Soon we'll start posting excerpts from Susan George's political bestseller "The Lugano Report".
El Secretariado del WPC
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 16:51:31 (CEST)

6/2/2001
Re: Srini, 5/23/2001. Errare umanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum...
Max
- Saturday, June 02, 2001 at 00:59:31 (CEST)

5/29/2001
bondadosa, I hope WPC president eventually got paid for his lectures. Otherwise this story looks painfully similar to Shirov-Rentero story in Cazorla.
Oblomov
- Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 19:03:47 (CEST)

5/29/2001
This website itself is the greatest contribution to the game of chess. Val, why don't you update it more often?
Suat A
- Tuesday, May 29, 2001 at 00:45:26 (CEST)

5/27/2001
When did this Salov-USCF story occur? Unfortunate as it is, I'm sure that Valery is not too put out at giving, as it were, a free lecture to American chess players, and giving something back into the game which he loves.
Oldsock
- Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 23:02:18 (CEST)

5/27/2001
never underestimate fire dragons
proletarian2
- Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 21:04:52 (CEST)

5/27/2001
Cats are really very tricky guys !
Proletarian 3
- Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 20:56:19 (CEST)

5/27/2001
To Oblomov: one of their last tricks was fraudulent payment to WPC President for his lecture on their website. The check bounced and all journalists covered up the fraud.
bondadosa
- Sunday, May 27, 2001 at 12:45:32 (CEST)

5/26/2001
May 26 - another birthday for Salov, another black day for Shirov.
Oldsock
- Saturday, May 26, 2001 at 16:33:31 (CEST)

5/26/2001
Great player that he is, Shirov seems destined to play Efim Bogolyubow to Kasparov's Alekhine. OK, I admit the comparison isn't very felicitous, but I couldn't do any better on the spur of the moment :) It must be mentally agonising for Shirov to suffer these losses against such an object of loathing.
Oldsock
- Saturday, May 26, 2001 at 00:24:32 (CEST)

5/26/2001
Interesting to see a sympathetic portrayal of Karpov at 50 on the KC site. One might almost say he had been rehabilitated.
Oldsock
- Saturday, May 26, 2001 at 00:17:22 (CEST)

5/23/2001
RE: Lumpen. I find your last comments very interesting but who are the pigs and what are "the scheming and finagling ways of the US Chess Federation" ?
Oblomov
- Wednesday, May 23, 2001 at 17:05:54 (CEST)

5/23/2001
However, on a more concrete issue, lets take the game Kramnik-Shirov today (@Astana tourney). A Brilliant save by Shirov. No doubt some of FAMED Salov's end game technique rubbed off on Shirov, eh, "L"? Ok, lets reverse the colours. Anybody out there who think Kramnik could have held the position? I personally dont think so! Lets not have the debate of "well Kramnik wouldn't have gottent himself into THAT situtation"... Any way ALEXEY SHIROV RULES. Lets wait for Shirov - Kramnik now in the Astana tournament and watch him kick some serious A.. !!
Srini
- Wednesday, May 23, 2001 at 02:50:57 (CEST)

5/23/2001
Dear "L", I thought the same about the "mature individual". Ok, I have nothing more to say on this issue.
Srini
- Wednesday, May 23, 2001 at 02:44:28 (CEST)

5/23/2001
Re:Proletarian2. I'm proud to have you as my comrade. About the Cazorla case, one of us has to be right. Who? This is going to be decided in the great purges 20 years after we sweep the pigs off the face of the Earth. As of now I stick to my opinion: Shirov is no exception to the general rule. The better they play chess the worse morons they are. Criminals too. Anand is the Champ, no doubt about it, and now he can earn my respect by not trying to milk this thing and by coming to play in the next one in December. Re: Suat A. Yermolinsky got to play in Vegas as the host country representative. Why him, and not Maurice Ashley, for example? To answer this one has to be familiar with the scheming and finagling ways of the US Chess Federation. What chance would a black guy stand against a prominent member of New Jersey Jewish Chess Mafia? You figure it out.
Lumpen-Proletarian
The Great Satan - Wednesday, May 23, 2001 at 01:24:20 (CEST)

5/22/2001
Hey, wasn't it Yermo who got Lembit's spot in Las Vegas?
Suat A
- Tuesday, May 22, 2001 at 23:44:10 (CEST)

5/21/2001
Lumpen the garrulous, you seem to be writing from the very den of capitalist pigs, from the US. Don't try to muddy the case and present everyone equally guilty of the Cazorla98 criminal deal between the two Ks. These two have committed a serious crime and have to pay for it. You are no more lumpen than L estonian. A new match Shirov-Kramnik will contribute nothing to clarify the WCC status, the title belongs to Anand and thats it.
proletarian2
- Monday, May 21, 2001 at 22:15:56 (CEST)

5/20/2001
Dear “Srini”, till now I was thinking to address my comments to a more mature person…. Well, let ME also make myself clear. First of all, talking about respect to Ks (and to all the mentioned and not yet mentioned by you great chessplayers), I meaned just respect for a CHESSPLAYER, not for a person. However their personal qualities (well, you know, Capablanca ands Fischer were no gift for chess community neither), they DID play good games. It is abstract from their behaviour, personality or whatever. As a person, GAZZA &Co are just disgusting not to say worth. That’s why I just don’t want to commentit – it’s clear (for most people). About the results of (unfortunately) little possible match Kramnik-Shirov, no one can know the results. I am no fan of Kramnik, at all, and no fan of Shirov, just you are neither a Nostradamus, so let’s stop commenting this, if you don’t want it to look like a competition of astrologists. About GAZZA&Deep Blue, seems it was a pure advertising of IBM. About GAZZA &Vlad, it neither looks very natural. About agreeing on SOMETHING with Oldsock (please first read then comment, sometimes it helps), I agreed that the match between Kramnik and Shirov would “help evaporate” the unhealthy athmosphere around the WCC of the Who Knows What. No matter where it will be held. So stop being so sure everybody else is as stupid as you seem to be (sorry, no personal insults, just keepin’the tone). Best Wishes& if you just try a bit harder you will be able to write even more funny comments than GM Salov (congratulations!)R: proletarian: “Who cares about their chess after that?” The one who dedicates more time to CHESS than to discussing personalities and events.
L.
Estonia, - Sunday, May 20, 2001 at 16:44:02 (CEST)

5/20/2001
Stop canonizing Shirov. He's as ugly as the K's. He jumped into the Cazorla deal when Anand declined with no reservations about his "rights" to play for the WC Championship. He got burned by the bigger crooks, so what? Life's a bitch. There's only one real victim of the Cazorla operation, and that's Lembit Oll. Lembit was seeded into the second round of the Las Vegas Championship and was scheduled to receive 10G no matter what. When he died a bunch of vultures fought to take his spot and no one thought of sending these 10G to Lembit's widow. You capitalist pigs have no heart for the two orphaned boys back in Tallinn. FUCK YOU. You are no different to me: faggot Karpov, hairy ape Kasparov, selfish pig Kramnik, dickless Shirov, sleek Anand. I don't give a flying fuck about your religious belief or current political agenda. I know you're just pretending, when in fact you all belong to the same country club together with your "patrons" van Oosteroms and Renteros. For now I'll sit back and watch you petty wars, but one day, one day.... Pierre, my comrade, keep that wooden stake ready.
Lumpen-Proletarian
The Great Satan - Sunday, May 20, 2001 at 04:30:31 (CEST)

5/19/2001
GO Shirov! Kick some major butt in Astana. WPC is behind you all the way
Srini
- Saturday, May 19, 2001 at 20:07:48 (CEST)

5/19/2001
Re:OldSock. We always wanted to treat you as a person who was semi-intelligent, like Mark Crowther. Confused but still reasonable with a 85+ IQ. You want these guys to be listed. ok Heres a prelimenary list, by category: BAD Chess Players: Kaspraov, Karpov, Kramnik, Gelfand, Yasser etc GOOD Chess Players" Anand, Shirov, Salov, Khalifman, Sakaev etc Journalists: Ree, Michael Greengard (THE WORST and an ASS KISSER), Crowther,John Henderson ( a Racist ), Yasser.. etc Dont force me to make public the conversations on some of the base - inhuman (this is year 2001 BTW) and racist views of some major news sites like TWIC. I have transcripts of such letters. Cheers, Srini
Srini
- Saturday, May 19, 2001 at 19:48:55 (CEST)

5/19/2001
We would like to thank Srini for his excellent explanation of our democratic stance to agent-provocateur 'oldsock'.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Saturday, May 19, 2001 at 12:04:45 (CEST)

5/19/2001
OldSock. Salov has had enough success the way it is. This site will be run the way it is.. in a democratic way. I am sure the president will consider your advise on how it could be more successful.
Srini
- Saturday, May 19, 2001 at 01:48:30 (CEST)

5/19/2001
OldSock. What do you smoke. I want some of it! Listen, Rentero was part of the scheme Gary cooked up. Shirov was a un-intentional, innocent part of it. Salov, was GM Shirov's Pro-trainer. These guys (Shirov, Salov and other respectable GM's, who helped Shirov) got screwed man. Screw Rentero and Kasparov. They just make me sick. Heres a guy who WON ( I mean Shirov .. just in case you had doubts;) ) but still got DICK for it.
Srini
- Saturday, May 19, 2001 at 01:35:49 (CEST)

5/18/2001
Salov would have more success in exposing the Internazis of this (chess) world if he would be more specific in his charges. Name the offending journalists, give examples of players blacklisted, etc.
Oldsock
- Friday, May 18, 2001 at 18:09:39 (CEST)

5/18/2001
Yes, it is clear that Kasparov is a cheat, which has been known for many years. It is also general knowledge that Rentero is to say the least an untrustworthy character. This is why Shirov and Salov cannot escape criticism in this whole WCC fiasco.
Oldsock
- Friday, May 18, 2001 at 17:58:39 (CEST)

5/18/2001
Re:OldSock "Re. Srini, my thoughts on the injustice to Shirov are already clear. What I object to is Salov's attempt to conflate this legitimate outrage with his own agenda. Personally, I may sympathise with that agenda but that is beside the point." There is no attempt by Slaov to muddy this issue. Its people like you who kick up dust and try to cloud matters. The issue is clear. Kasparov is a cheat. Kramnik was beneficiary. Anand tried to be an opporunist. However I am glad Anand was saved from this SIN. I am sure he is a happy man now. Kramnik is and will be miserable till he he gives Shirov a Title fight. Kasparov.. well he doesn't count any more.
Srini
- Friday, May 18, 2001 at 04:18:58 (CEST)

5/18/2001
Dear "L" Let me make myself clear. First of all, if some one is great chess player like kasparov, karpov, Shirov, Anand, Salov, Kramnik, Capablanca, Lasker, Alekin, Fischer and scores of others I have not mentioned.. it does not matter. Respect, is for only decent and honest people. Unfortunately Gazza or the FAG karpov (as most of my Russian friends have told me) does not fit the Bill. Well, Dear "L" again.. maybe you are not sure about the result of Kramnik - Shirov match. But I am. It has been proved once. Remeber Match play is diff from Tourn. I dont know what happened to Gazza, maybe some similar syndrome to his match against Deep Blue or some other ridiculous reaosn. I still think the match was arranged and dont be "SURPRISED if there is a rematch btwbn the two". In reality Kramnik would lose a 8 ( (16) (24) ) game match to Shirov. BTW, what do you agree with OldSock on? that a 24 game match should be held in "New York, London & Tokyo" ? and not in 6 cities including the 3 others I mentioned? Stop being stupid
Srini
- Friday, May 18, 2001 at 03:58:41 (CEST)

5/17/2001
In my opinion both Ks deserve no respect at all: they are just swindlers and liars, two calculating baboons. Who cares about their chess after that? They should better stop playing and start paying reparations.
proletarian2
- Thursday, May 17, 2001 at 23:19:17 (CEST)

5/17/2001
Dear "Srini", although I would not be that sure about the results of the match between Kranmik and Shirov,I agree with Oldsock that it may be a great solution... but do you think they would be eager to play it? About the respect - as far as it's about chess, I think it is normal to respect the "who plays better", GAZZA included (he did play good chess... maybe he's not yet "nobody", but just a poor victim of the greatness mania)
L.
Estonia - Thursday, May 17, 2001 at 22:19:58 (CEST)

5/16/2001
Re:OldSock Why be so sarcastic. New York, London and Moscow ..btw, you left out Tokyo, Madrid and Paris ! Anyway, a 24 game match why not and whats so mysterious about ill-feelings disappear? Look, let Shriov have a go at kicking Kramnik's sorry butt again.
Srini
- Wednesday, May 16, 2001 at 04:04:53 (CEST)

5/15/2001
A 24 game match between Kramnik and Shirov held in New York, London and Moscow - yes! Wouldn't that be something? I predict it would be the greatest contest in the history of chess. Who knows, after the first few games, they may remain together at the board to conduct the post-mortems. Then, mysteriously, all this ill-feeling could just evaporate.
Oldsock
- Tuesday, May 15, 2001 at 16:58:05 (CEST)

5/15/2001
Re: L. "Valery, I have nothing against you as a chess player, you were even quite a decent GM before you occupied yourself with unneeded “political activity” in chess, but would not it be just normal to pay a little respect to whom is better than you? " Hmm.. so Dear "L", you think respect is due, "when someone is a better Chess Player"? Dumb isn't it.. Look, there is no personal crusade against GM Vladimir Kramnik. Only, I think, he should now play a match against GM Shirov (who beat the crap out of Vlad) and put whatever title (note: not WCC.. its Anand who is WCC) he holds at stake. Shirov will decimate Vlad and that will be the end of it. GAZZA doesn't count any more. He is nobody, so ignore him.
Srini
- Tuesday, May 15, 2001 at 02:30:44 (CEST)

5/14/2001
A little comment about the story with the letter of 3K. Of course, you may say I am not in position to express any opinion on this “highly democratic site”, but, being one of these on whose behalf Valery Salov and FIDE pretend to be talking, I would like to remind, that Valdimir Kramnik, who “calls himself” the World Champion, won this title from Garry Kasparov, and used to be the one who won over Kasparov for several times before and after… OK, no matter of this subject… just, you being openly impolite towards GM Kramnik… is it envy?? Valery, I have nothing against you as a chess player, you were even quite a decent GM before you occupied yourself with unneeded “political activity” in chess, but would not it be just normal to pay a little respect to whom is better than you? Then. You mentioned that “the quality of classic chess will be little inferior than that of the advanced chess with new time control”. Valery… ?????…. OK, I understand, that might say my neighbour who does not get a clue on chess… but you, a Grandmaster…. Or was it- a type error? Sorry, no logical comment for THIS. The open letter of 3K might be one of little number of decent things coming from Kasparov. There is no need to be paranoid and think that someone wants to administrate chess affaires more than you. Best wishes PS. Some days ago I asked my spouse if he wanted to become a World Champion… “No, I do not want to confond myself with the masses” – my spouse answered. PPS. Go ahead and react in your usual way to this comment. Las time I spent quite a time laughing on your answer, thank you. L.
L.
Estonia - Monday, May 14, 2001 at 21:43:43 (CEST)

5/14/2001
Re. retard, applying your nonpareil logic "shows only" that you are a lousy policeman.
Oblomov
- Monday, May 14, 2001 at 17:34:14 (CEST)

5/14/2001
Can someone explain me one simple thing? 3-4 year ago FIDE decided to conduct a world championship on one-year cycle and the champs were Karpov,Khalifman and now is Anand .The title was taken from GK.If GK was not a legitimate champion of the world how the hell Shirov can be "leghtimate ratador" or whatever towards ulegitimate champ?This discussion shows only that all supporters of this site clearly understand who is the best and who was real champion .It was Kasparov then .Now it's Kramnik . vadik
retador?
- Monday, May 14, 2001 at 14:41:02 (CEST)

5/13/2001
After reading the latest issue of "Jew In Chess" I dumbed down. Right back to Proletarian. The rag's new feature is the "Just Puking" mini-interview on the last page. Really sickening. The Jew of the month, Bora Gelfand paints a picture of himself as a post-Soviet intellectual who loves Hollywood in its dumbest and still listens to what was considered rebellious 20 years ago. And how about his favorite color, green. Is he preparing for the inevitable day when the GREEN banner of Islam will be risen over Israel? Good thinking, Bora, you're scoring points for the afterlife.
Lumpen-Proletarian
The Great Satan - Sunday, May 13, 2001 at 05:58:35 (CEST)

5/12/2001
oldsock, you are a confessed racist, who told you that something of your liking should be socially acceptable? Dubbs is right: near a simian like KK almost anyone looks great. They owe him everything.
bullet
- Saturday, May 12, 2001 at 19:56:07 (CEST)

5/12/2001
Salov's and Shirov's benefactor was not Rentero but Kasparov, they owe him everything
DUBBS
- Saturday, May 12, 2001 at 00:37:02 (CEST)

5/11/2001
Re. Srini, my thoughts on the injustice to Shirov are already clear. What I object to is Salov's attempt to conflate this legitimate outrage with his own agenda. Personally, I may sympathise with that agenda but that is beside the point.
Oldsock
- Friday, May 11, 2001 at 17:03:56 (CEST)

5/11/2001
Unless Salov can make it back to the top 20 then I fear his winnings would not suffice to keep him in the manner to which has become accustomed. Probably, that explains his retirement. He grew up in the cradle of the Soviet system. As Russia was sinking, he jumped ship and found a benefactor in the person of Senor Rentero. OK, he has a wife to support (no pattering of tiny feet?), a rather atractive blonde, so of course, I don't reproach him for this.
Oldsock
- Friday, May 11, 2001 at 16:53:52 (CEST)

5/10/2001
Re:Bullet Thx for your correction. I was confused on that Lieberman issue. I guess my paranoid brain can't handle all the conspiracies... Re: Srini Do ya really think Salov's pro-life? Did he shoot any abortionists lately? And lay off that chess-genuis-good-for-all-fields stuff. We, chessplayers, are ill-suited for the "real" world. And, by the way, fuck it. After reading more material linked to the WPC site I'm upgrading myself to Lumpen-Intellectual. Speaking of kissing the hairy simian's ass why don't we drive a wooden stake through it, like my esteemed colleague Pierre Sobakkin suggests in his "Satyricon"? Sweet dreams.
Lumpen-Intellectual(former Proletarian)
The Great Satan - Thursday, May 10, 2001 at 20:19:29 (CEST)

5/10/2001
I like WPC new logo. The rook is much more solid than FIDE knight.
Oblomov
- Thursday, May 10, 2001 at 13:39:03 (CEST)

5/10/2001
Why don't you Oldsock annotate that game (looks like you are very fond of it) and send it to WPC, perhaps they will publish it. I am sure WPC welcome volunteers for their web site.
Oblomov
- Thursday, May 10, 2001 at 13:34:30 (CEST)

5/10/2001
After all this crap.. I think Salov, should just return to pro-chess. I mean why bother? He tried to help to overturn this injustice thats going on.. no one cares! Every one simply wants to kiss GK's HAIRY ASS. Fuck this shit. Salov should get on with his pro-life... Or better, maybe change professions.. like lot of other chess players. He is Super GM and can do it in practically any field and do much better in life. This way he can leave this "FUCKING CORUPT WORLD OF CHESS"
Srini
- Thursday, May 10, 2001 at 02:54:50 (CEST)

5/10/2001
OldSock, Well how about reaching the Semi Finals of the old and last Candidates system. He lost to Kamsky in that match. Do you think thats a reasonable Resume? Personally I think so. You want games .. ok .. hmmmm.. lets see 1. May old archive of TWIC?? 2. ChessBase certainly 3. Get old copies of Inside Chess.. I am sure Yasser can use some money 4. Informants maybe? This site, more correctly, this section of the site is about the injustice meted to GM Shirov. Do you have anything to contribute on that? Thanks. -srini
srini
- Thursday, May 10, 2001 at 01:44:31 (CEST)

5/10/2001
You got it wrong, Lumpen. Uriah Lieberman was Andropov's true name. It means 'beloved' by his KGB subordinates.
bullet
- Thursday, May 10, 2001 at 00:32:08 (CEST)

5/9/2001
Srini, I think that Salov should devote some pages of this web-site to the game of chess itself, some career highlights and a few stories. Call it bait. Maybe Salov could start the ball rolling by annotating his 162 move loss to Short in Linares 1990.
Oldsock
- Wednesday, May 09, 2001 at 16:11:56 (CEST)

5/9/2001
Like I said, an agent provocateur. And not a very good one at that. They've got us pegged all wrong.
Oldsock
- Wednesday, May 09, 2001 at 15:59:06 (CEST)

5/9/2001
Re:Lumpen-Proletarian. Salov can fight his way into top 10 (top 15 definitely). His priorities are quite different now. Family, and ofcourse fight against injustice in the Chess World. It has nothing to woth Osrael or Judaism or whatever. He is simply fighting for the right thing to be done and as Chess fans we should support him in whatever way we can.
Srini
- Wednesday, May 09, 2001 at 01:37:40 (CEST)

5/9/2001
Re:Lumpen-Proletarian, What the fuck does the death of Lembit Oll or Judaism or Mossad or whatever has to do with what I was talking about?
Srini
- Wednesday, May 09, 2001 at 01:30:39 (CEST)

5/8/2001
Just consulted with my Russian dictionary. Rychagov is not an authentic Russian name, it's a perverted translation of Lieberman (Leverman). The Hague Tribunal must properly investigate the Cazorla case, instead of trying to pin fictional crimes on Serbian patriots.
Lumpen-Proletarian
The Great Satan - Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 21:11:14 (CEST)

5/8/2001
Srini, my comrade! Don't count on Shirov to do anything drastic. He can vent his frustration while speaking to journalists, but once the enraged Garry gets in his face, Alexey'll chicken out. Again. The hot breath of cannibal is too intimidating. The real issue is Lembit's death. Who's gonna apologize for that? An Estonian who refused to convert to Judaism gets murdered, and the rest of the Cazorla boys go on with their lives like nothing happened. The truth about the Cazorla incident lies buried in the Mossad databanks.
Lumpen-Proletarian
The Great Satan - Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 19:01:42 (CEST)

5/8/2001
Ok based on the last posting. "Recive an apology from Shirov?" For what? Because he won the match against Vladimir Kramnik? Or because Kasparov and that dumb creature Rentero and (GK ofcourse) failed to keep their promiss? Any way Shirov has all rights to be pissed off and he is still quite calm about it!! I wish GM Shirov would just stop playing in Linares and stop honoring this tournament.. Alexey stop playing in tourneys that have anything to do with GK or Rentero.. fuck them all!
Srini
- Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 04:05:14 (CEST)

5/8/2001
Re OldSock: Heres the real article FOOL. http://www.chesscenter.com/wijk2001/r09wijk.html and here are some quotes from the Racist bastard JH: “Kasparov had said for some time that he would not shake hands unless he received an apology for part of a letter by Shirov published in New in Chess Nr. 6 2000. Probably the key sentences he wanted retracted were "In my interview I already said clearly that there are things you can't prove but can still suspect. I don't trust Kramnik and Kasparov and I have my point of view. I'll be surprised if Kramnik wins their match." Why dont MC and JH go and PLANT a BIG WET KISS on GARY's ASS. Maybe they can get Yasser and OldSock (Miggs) and the rest to join in on the Orgy!
Srini
- Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 03:54:10 (CEST)

5/8/2001
Oops.. forgot, JH supported by anotehr Racist MC of TWIC
Srini
- Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 03:42:24 (CEST)

5/8/2001
Re Oldsock: Ok you got the article from Chessbase. But my guess is it was written by none other that John Henderson. A racist fat pig. Lets get some serious articles by more qualified people than some fat moron like JH
Srini
- Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 03:41:02 (CEST)

5/8/2001
Why draw poor Lembit in it? Change just one letter, Oll - oil, and back we go to the Middle East. Estonians have a knack of getting mixed up in big politics and they usually get the short end of it. Or the business end of the big stick the Great Satan is carrying - whichever way you like it. The pride and hero of the Estonian people, Paul Keres,right after WWII was trampled under the wheels of the World-Championship bound KGB ironclad of Soviet School of Chess, driven by Big Bad Misha himself. Paul barely avoided Siberia, fought courageously in Candidate Tournaments for the next 15 years, and then what? He got denounced by young Bobby for being just one of the Russians. You remember, that's an old one: in Zurich 1961 Bobby proclaimed that he would beat all the Russians, and almost did so! Then one wise-ass Soviet GM mentioned to Bobby that in fact he played an Armenian, a Jew and an Estonian. "No matter - you're all Russians to me", dismissed Bobby. Lesson of Lembit: when the big boys clash you can't stay on the sidelines and admire the show unless you're a Swiss banker, a lowest form of all worms, who'd happily bankroll either side. So don't blame the surviving Estonian, Jaan Kalev, when he publicly announces his conversion to Islam during the Astana Supertournament. I hope they'll allow him to keep using toilet paper.
Lumpen-Proletarian
The Great Satan - Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 03:06:25 (CEST)

5/8/2001
Oldsock, don't you see it? If Sutovsky is a Nazi he will feel uncomfortable about this site.
bullet
- Tuesday, May 08, 2001 at 00:04:20 (CEST)

5/7/2001
It pains me to say it, but Alex's comments on the arrangement of the K-K match invite ridicule. I'm about as likely to buy them as I am a chess book coa-authored by Schiller and Gufeld.
Oldsock
- Monday, May 07, 2001 at 23:04:25 (CEST)

5/7/2001
Taken from http://www.chessbase.com/events/linar01/games/lr10rep.htm Inevitable we moved on to the Shirov question. And Kasparov's demanded of an apology from the lapsed Latvian after his accusation that his match with Kramnik was "fixed". "I would accept even the softest form of apology or retraction. But he's preferred to ignore me. This situation could never arise in tennis – he would be fined so much he would forget how to open his mouth." Which all conveniently brings us to the man in question himself: Alexei Shirov. Not so self-assured about himself as Polgar, Karpov or Kasparov were with the press, Shirov had about him the air of rabbit caught in the coming headlights of a car as he looked nervously round the assembled hacks in the press room. Dealing with the press was never Alexei's strong point. He's always preferred to let his play at the board do all the talking. But this time he'd had a very poor tournament performance – his worst in years. Inevitably the "Kasparov problem" came up very quickly. Asked if he believed that the match between Kasparov and Kramnik was fixed, Shirov replied "It's not what I believe or don't believe. I never said it publicly and that's it. The match was arranged, not the result, but because Kramnik was in no way a legitimate challenger, I said that the match was 'arranged' in the sense that those two players were chosen for the match, conveniently overlooking my legitimate claims to title match with Kasparov."
Oldsock
- Monday, May 07, 2001 at 22:49:40 (CEST)

5/7/2001
This is in very bad taste. Why drag poor old Lembit into it? It's fair game though to wonder how Sutovsky may feel about some of WPC's political material.
Oldsock
- Monday, May 07, 2001 at 22:20:36 (CEST)

5/7/2001
Look at the ad in the June issue of Chess Lies (page 63). The former World Championship Challenger, the greatest Muslim Chessplayer of all time, Gata Kamsky, is reduced to begging for students through the ADL-controlled organ of the USCF.
Lumpen-Proletarian
The Great Satan - Monday, May 07, 2001 at 22:16:17 (CEST)

5/7/2001
You guys are a bunch of imbeciles. Who said Salov can fight his way back to the top 10? You think the Zionists are going to sit idly and watch this happen? The Mossad will take him out. Wanna know why Lembit Oll was killed? Ask Salov, he was present when the noted Israeli Commando and Kasparov's homeboy, Emil Sutovsky called Lembit a goy and asked Shirov why he keeps goys on his team. Lembit did talk back and it cost him his life.
Lumpen-Proletarian
The Great Satan - Monday, May 07, 2001 at 22:06:43 (CEST)

5/7/2001
I hope u get the money....
Göran Strandburgare
- Monday, May 07, 2001 at 09:50:08 (CEST)

5/6/2001
must be the future of the elder brother to FIDE, BB, ADL and WJC
bullet
- Sunday, May 06, 2001 at 22:47:58 (CEST)

5/6/2001
DUBBS, what future for WPC you have in mind?
Oblomov
- Sunday, May 06, 2001 at 21:04:12 (CEST)

5/6/2001
Hey, bullet-oldsock-miggs, how would you comment on the decision of the Israeli nazis from kasparovchess.com to turn down the WPC letter (signed by two World Champions and two Vice World Champions between others) of response to puerile, selfish whining of 3K? Do you approve of their treacherous tactics of shrilly crying about freedom of expression and suppressing this very freedom whenever possible? How do you explain the iron - golden? - grip of the Israelis on the western media? And you, Secretary, how much are you paid for this job (which you don’t do properly, BTW)? IMHO, WPC has no future if it doesn’t manage to get some sponsorship.
DUBBS
- Sunday, May 06, 2001 at 15:26:41 (CEST)

5/3/2001
I'm interested in the exact nature of WPC's interest in the Shirov-Rentero lawsuit? It was revealing what Oldsock posted about Salov's prior history with Rentero. On the other point, Salov and Fischer both claim to be the victim of blacklisting: Fischer, by World Jewry, and Salov, by Internazis. Witness, also, their condemnation of the NATO attack on Serbia - supported by Kasparov. I think this might have been part of the reason why Informator readers voted Fischer the best player of the 20th century, ahead of Kasparov.
Bullet
- Thursday, May 03, 2001 at 16:19:56 (CEST)

5/1/2001
Re:Bullet. Are you brain dead? Lets take things one at a time. If Salov wanted he could very well fight his way back into World top 20 (if not top 10) quite easily. Then he can go about making "HIS CASH", just like the rest of them! Why is it that you cant see that? This man wants some change in this incredibly confused and corrupt world of chess (lead by KKK). He is offering his opinion and trying his best.. Remember this particular section of WPC, was started as a crusade againt the injustice done to GM Alexey Shirov. Now making tupid comments about " a pess conference with Fischer".. why make such stupid comments? What does it achieve? If you dont want to contribute something useful, why dont you just stay out? Thanks.
Srini
- Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 02:00:45 (CEST)

5/1/2001
This little piece is quoted from TWIC 338. This edition was release today. "We are not short of good chess events, but we are very short of important ones, the kind that made Korchnoi and Spassky's reputations under the highest pressure." - MC Dear Mark, Its not that we are short of important events, but arrogant journalists like you who tend to undermine important events while over estimating others! It was quite evident, from the coverage on TWIC and your tone, what you thought of the "FIDE WCC". Its just that, I dont see whats wrong with a Democratic event like the FIDE championship? 1. Its being held every year. 2. No one gets sepcial chances. 3. Every one fights it out for decent cash. There is good money in the event, and if Octogan is given a chance maybe even more. But I am sure irresponsible journalists like you and Ree would make doubly sure that does not happen and screw it up. Fine lets have this: 1. Kramnik will play the winner of Fritz and Junior. 2. Then Kramnik will have a rematch against one of these things unless he wins. 3. Get GK involved, just for more confusion. 4. Lets repeat 1 thru 3 again.
Srini Ramiah
- Tuesday, May 01, 2001 at 01:27:46 (CEST)

4/30/2001
Valery, when you say "pay us the reparations", what is your cut of Shirov's money? Didn't you get paid get back then? Can we have Mr. Rentero's latest statements translated into English?
Bullet
- Monday, April 30, 2001 at 02:16:21 (CEST)

4/28/2001
Re:oldsock-bullet. We are extending the hand of friendship toward everyone. In the first place we are interested in establishing the links of cooperation with ex-FIDE champion GM Kasparov. The best form of cooperation would be his paying us the reparations.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Saturday, April 28, 2001 at 06:22:35 (CEST)

4/27/2001
Would the WPC extend the hand of friendship toward Mr Fischer? A FischeRandom match between Salov and Fischer has great potential. If nothing else, the press conference at the start of the match would be worth attending.
Bullet
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 15:16:02 (CEST)

4/27/2001
Isn't the WPC logo a trifle basic? I picture Salov, clad in knight's armor, on (white) horseback, putting the Dragon (Kasparov)to the sword!
Bullet
- Friday, April 27, 2001 at 15:10:30 (CEST)

4/26/2001
Re:bullet. There is nothing objectionable in our democratic political stand. What makes you believe that Anand might turn to be a democracy hater like Crowther or Ree? Re:capa. To doubt is the essence of the Cartesian method. In fact, we doubt that you doubt it.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Thursday, April 26, 2001 at 22:45:29 (CEST)

4/26/2001
Anand's disappeared only later under the WPC letter. I really doubt that signed it in fact!
Capa
- Thursday, April 26, 2001 at 21:35:11 (CEST)

4/26/2001
I'm suprised to see Anand putting his name to the WPC letter. Not because of the letter's contents - pretty unobjectionable knockabout stuff - but because of the WPC's political stance. Interesting choice by Vishy - maybe one shouldn't read it as an endorsement, but put it down to purely selfish reasons. After all, Anand himself had agreed terms to usurp Shirov's rightful role as contender - that deal fell through, of course. Morally, though he and Kramnik are in the same boat.
Bullet
- Thursday, April 26, 2001 at 15:29:18 (CEST)

4/19/2001
Re:Melquisedec I don't need to defend myself against noone . My crimes(if they exist) are not of your concern . If you want your resonal payment don't be ashamed, come to me .But as I said before people like you and all sppurters of this site have a long toung but very short hands . vadik
vadik
- Thursday, April 19, 2001 at 12:48:18 (CEST)

4/19/2001
Vadik, you present every symptom of both the “internazi solidarity syndrome” and the “Complex of a genocide-monger”. On the bright side of your personality is your sense of ethnical self-consciousness. Only one question: are you prepared to start paying reparations in order to redeem the crimes of your brethren?
Melquisedec
- Thursday, April 19, 2001 at 10:27:14 (CEST)

4/16/2001
Åñòü, ñêàçûâàþò, íåêèé Âñåìèðíûé Ñîâåò èãðîêîâ. Òî ëè îí ïðèñîåäèíåííûé ê ÔÈÄÅ, òî ëè ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíî ïðèñëîíÿþùèéñÿ. Òàê èëè èíà÷å, àâòîðèòåòà Ìåæäóíàðîäíîé ôåäåðàöèè îí íå äîáàâëÿåò — óæå õîòÿ áû ïîòîìó, ÷òî åãî, êàæåòñÿ, åäèíñòâåííûé ÷ëåí-ïðåçèäåíò Ñàëîâ, êàê áû ýòî ïîìÿã÷å âûðàçèòñÿ, íå àäåêâàòåí îêðóæàþùåé äåéñòâèòåëüíîñòè. Ìàíèÿ ïðåñëåäîâàíèÿ ñî ñòîðîíû íå òîëüêî Êàñïàðîâà ïåðåøëà â ìàíèþ âåëè÷èÿ îò ðàñòóùåé ó÷åíîñòè, è áîëåçíåííàÿ ñèíóñîèäà åùå âîçâðàòèòñÿ â íèæíþþ ôàçó... Îò Ñàëîâà óæå øàðàõàþòñÿ, à ÔÈÄÅ âñå íå îòìåæåâûâàåòñÿ, ñòðàùàÿ èì çàîäíî è ñîáñòâåííûõ êðèòèêîâ. À öàïàòü îí áóäåò âñåõ ïîäðÿä, íå ïðîïóñêàÿ, âåðîÿòíî, è ñâîèõ çíàêîìûõ ñ äåòñòâà çåìëÿêîâ èç ãîðîäà íà Íåâå, êîòîðûå ïðåäëàãàþò ïî-äîáðîìó òðàêòîâàòü åãî àãðåññèâíûå ïóáëèêàöèè è âûñêàçûâàíèÿ. Ñâîèõ, êîãäà èùóò èíîé ãëîáóñ, íå ñóùåñòâóåò. Äîëæåí òåïåðü ïðèçíàòüñÿ, ÷òî ôîðìóëèðîâêà î ïåðìàíåíòíîì ïåðåõîäå îò ñîñòîÿíèÿ ïðåñëåäîâàíèÿ ê âåëè÷èþ (è îáðàòíî) ïðèíàäëåæèò Ìèõàèëó Òàëþ
vadik
- Monday, April 16, 2001 at 15:58:15 (CEST)

4/14/2001
Oldsock/Mig why dont you just contribute your stupidity to Kasparovchess.com. Please keep the crap limited. Its hard when shit gets out of hand. Thanks Mig and stay out please. You are really not welcome here.
Gil
- Saturday, April 14, 2001 at 19:36:23 (CEST)

4/13/2001
Hey BMcc, You fuck, what makes you think you are an American. Sure you can't paint a donkey to make it a zebra, so how you fucking European discard (or your father or his fucking father) become an American? Why dont you get the fuck out of the USA and go back to your old stinking continent. BTW, MOST Imigrants make shit load of more money than you or your fucking family does. Dumb White Trash
Gil <gil@gil.com>
USA, - Friday, April 13, 2001 at 05:03:27 (CEST)

4/8/2001
Re:oldsock. "Now the children of Israel had done according to the word of Moses, and they asked from the Egyptians articles of silver, articles of gold, and clothing. And the Lord had given the people favor in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they granted them what they requested. Thus they plundered the Egyptians."(Exodus 12:35,36) Mr.Salov didn't rob anyone and didn't even sue the Ayuntamiento for its violation of the contract. By the internazi standards his exodus was utterly graceless. Oldsock, you have already been disqualified as a candidate for the WPC presidency by your overt racist tendencies. Now you show yet another flaw - excess of gullibility toward partisan journalistic writings.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Sunday, April 08, 2001 at 23:25:55 (CEST)

4/8/2001
Re. the need to learn Russian as a qualification for becoming WPC President. There has been no mention of this before. Has this barrier been hastily constructed especially to disqualify me?
Oldsock
- Sunday, April 08, 2001 at 18:30:10 (CEST)

4/8/2001
So was it the City Council which reneged on its promises? And did Senor Rentero hold a position with the Council at that time? Is it also correct that Salov's rather graceless exit was not appreciated?
Oldsock
- Sunday, April 08, 2001 at 18:27:32 (CEST)

4/7/2001
Re:L. You are not in the position to advise us on the contents of this highly democratic site. Re:oldsock. "The Fifth Column" is only available in Russian, you ought to learn it if you still aspire to become the WPC President some day. Your information from "Linares!" book is wrong. Mr.Salov had a contract with Ayuntamiento de Linares, not Mr.Rentero.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Saturday, April 07, 2001 at 19:53:09 (CEST)

4/7/2001
I didn't think much of this Linares book. I don't like ten Geuzendam's style. He should stick to interviewing, which, at least, keeps his contributions to a minimum. Talking of which, the back of the book claims ten Geuzendam is the 'author of the acclaimed Finding Bobby Fischer'. But wasn't that book a collection of NIC interviews? So...
Oldsock
- Saturday, April 07, 2001 at 01:39:48 (CEST)

4/7/2001
I have bben reading the book 'Linares!' by Dirk Jan ten Geuzendam. Is it true that Salov first came to live in Spain (Linares) with the help of Senor Rentero and was paid a monthly salary by him? And that after Rentero broke his promises such as to finance a chess school and find Mrs. Salov a job, Salov upped and left for Madrid? If so, then it casts a new and interesting light on Salov's crusade.
Oldsock
- Saturday, April 07, 2001 at 01:33:34 (CEST)

4/5/2001
Can we have a translation of the Fifth Column Open Letter to clubkasparov.ru? Did they publish it or is that a stupid question?
Oldsock
- Thursday, April 05, 2001 at 19:29:36 (CEST)

4/4/2001
Re:Jonathan Blake, 08/29/00: golden words to replace at least 90% of what is written on this site!
L.
Tallinn, Estonia - Wednesday, April 04, 2001 at 19:07:26 (CEST)

4/4/2001
Valery, only one question: what has you site to do with Chess (except the name and the background of some pages)?
L.
Tallinn, Estonia - Wednesday, April 04, 2001 at 19:02:08 (CEST)

4/4/2001
Vadik, I think you are a Moslem and should repeat this every day (atleast 4 times a day and Allah will forgive you for your sins).. "La Ilahi Al-Illah, Mohammed Ur-Rasool Allah". This means, Allah is the only god and Mohammed the only true prohet. Repeat it (and now dont try and cheat.. 4 times ok)
Gil
- Wednesday, April 04, 2001 at 02:15:35 (CEST)

4/4/2001
Vadik, Are you a Moslem?
Gil
- Wednesday, April 04, 2001 at 02:09:43 (CEST)

4/3/2001
Re:oldsock. What would you like to know? The racists from NIC have made some rash defamatory statements on the WPC and owe to us a compensation of about $10,5 million. We don't have anything against them as long as they are willing to pay the reparations in full. We are kind, democratically minded people; we are ready to help them in restructuring their debt to us (and we don't charge too high interest on it). Thanks for the links, it was a familiar stuff.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 22:45:41 (CEST)

4/3/2001
Can I now have a reply to my question on Ree? Have a look here: http://www.halturnershow.com/reaping.htm
Oldsock
- Tuesday, April 03, 2001 at 20:50:38 (CEST)

4/1/2001
If you haven't see it, I draw your attention to the following - http://www.amren.com/darkages.htm
Oldsock
- Sunday, April 01, 2001 at 23:39:00 (CEST)

4/1/2001
Honestly, I don't consider two mentions of Ree to constitute an obsession. Or is Mr. Salov obsessed with Mark Crowther? The reason for singling out Ree is that I am not sure as to the exact nature of his crimes toward chess, democracy and the WPC (not necessarily in that order). Is he an Internazi, corrupt journalist, etc.?
Oldsock
- Sunday, April 01, 2001 at 23:34:48 (CEST)

3/31/2001
Re:oldsock. Quid pro quo, tell us first why are you so obsessed with Mr.Ree?
El Secretariado del WPC
- Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 22:12:44 (CEST)

3/31/2001
I read the political and historical sections of your web-site with interest and not a little suprise at your boldness. On the other hand, the English have a saying 'In for a penny, in for a pound'. Can you explain the references to Hans Ree? Has he been bad-mouthing the WPC in the latest NIC?
Oldsock
- Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 19:03:04 (CEST)

3/31/2001
I located the Smokescreen article. From what little I could see, and reading between the lines, I think you concede the likelihood of his complicity in this murder.
Oldsock
- Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 18:58:59 (CEST)

3/31/2001
I would have thought the WPC has very low overheads - their only visible presence is this website. How much does it cost to maintain that? There was also the pro-Shirov petition with something like 89 names - how much does a biro and a pad of paper cost now? Unfortunately the petiton couldnt even be published in full - so those few pesatas were spent in vain.
Oldsock
- Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 12:51:33 (CEST)

3/31/2001
Please direct me to said Khan article.
Oldsock
- Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 12:46:56 (CEST)

3/31/2001
Re:oldsock. We are "unrepresentative" in a sense that we do not pretend to represent intenazis, nazis or racists. Here you are right. What concerns our "secretiveness" - we are much more open and direct than the journalists. In respect to "Khan and the blood on his hands" we recommend to you the article "Larisa Yudina murder case: Just a Smoke Screen". It was written specifically for you. Be happy. We do have one problem - lack of financial support. But it's normal for a democratic organization in the totalitarian West.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 11:46:20 (CEST)

3/29/2001
The real problem lies with the pressmen. They are all dependent on the money they are paid for their lies.
bondadosa <bondadosa@hola.org>
- Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 02:08:43 (CEST)

3/27/2001
I think Gil might come under the category of 'agent provocateur'. Tthe real problem with the WPC is not anti-semitism (don't ask what the charge of anti-semitism means, it means trouble!) but that is unrepresentative, secretive and wholly ineffectual. Illyumzhinov keeps them around because they are useful to him; the could as easily be cast aside. The enemy of your enemies are not your friends. the Khan has blood on his hands, so, sorry, but I can't support him. It was nice to see how 'democratic' WPC fell over itself to print and answer the queries of Tony Kosten (an old friend of Kasparov,btw).
Oldsock
- Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 22:13:40 (CEST)

3/27/2001
Re:Gil Guys like you Gil have a very big mouth,but very short hands .Nazies which are so loved by you were fucked and always will be fucked in all their holes without condoms and vaseline . vadik
vadik
- Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 17:59:38 (CEST)

3/27/2001
You and guys like you have a very big mouth,but very short hands .Natzies which are so loved by you were fucked are fucked and always will be fucked in all their holes . vadik
Re:Gil
- Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 17:55:51 (CEST)

3/27/2001
So, what if this site talks about Jews? The fucking Vermins hsould have been erased. I feel for the Natzis. They did a great job in poland, but just didn't see it through. Tough.. But it will hapen. All fucking Jewas should be shot, because they all are MISERS, without doubt, and should be shot..
Gil <gil@hormail.com>
- Tuesday, March 27, 2001 at 05:55:30 (CEST)

3/26/2001
Re:bon,vad. Bondadosa, benditos los ojos que te ven! Vadik, you are so smart, that we grant you the right to remain ignorant forever, you can stop following our democratic educational program.
El Secretariado del WPC
AND - Monday, March 26, 2001 at 20:35:51 (CEST)

3/26/2001
I'm not afraid of any Elders of WPC because I don't know who are they .Besides those "Elders" don't seem to be relaxed .They seem to be very concerned of so called "InterNazis" and this concern and constant search for them in every aspect of the life make their lives nervous but full of sence.It's very clear from the pathetic and nervous style of the articles I've red here . Your want me to learn from you and your friends.Who told you you can teach me anything?Who told you,that you smart enough for that? vadik
Re:bondadosa
- Monday, March 26, 2001 at 09:31:56 (CEST)

3/25/2001
Because we are nice, caring, democratically oriented people, because gens una sumus. Relax, Vadik, don't be so afraid of the Learned Elders of the WPC.
bondadosa
- Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 23:06:26 (CEST)

3/25/2001
You know nothing about me.How can you think of me anything? Besides,why this site is so concern about jews?
vadik
- Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 18:41:37 (CEST)

3/25/2001
We think the same about you, Vadik. It is called pluralism.
bondadosa <bondadosa@hola.org>
- Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 14:02:39 (CEST)

3/25/2001
Hi all,players! I think that this site and WPC should be closed and comdemned as Nazi propaganda .I'll be not surprised if it happens soon.This site has nothing in common with chess . The editors are sick,crazy people .I feel sorry for them,especially for Salov .
vadik <gigi_mary@hotmail.com>
- Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 11:55:07 (CEST)

3/25/2001
Go ahead Mr. Salov. Post my letter and your response. GM Tony Kosten
Tony Kosten
- Sunday, March 25, 2001 at 03:17:33 (CEST)

3/21/2001
>Dear Mr. Kosten, In regard to your letter from March,20 we are pleased to inform you that our organization, World Players' Council, officially exists since 1998; in October 1999 it was recognized by FIDE as a body representing the views and interests of a considerable sector of players. We certainly do not presume to represent all of them - because of the great variety, often disparity, of their views. We deny access to our organization to all those players who (openly or covertly) maintain Nazi, InterNazi and racist views. As you understand, this already eliminates a considerable number of possible candidates. We take a special pride in our educational program, which aims at rehabilitation of the corrupt InterNazi chess journalists, those of them who encourage and add credibility to the morally uncouth elements in the chess world, being related to them by close Nazi links. It's our policy not to publicize the names of the WPC members to safeguard the professional interests of the players - it is well known that the ruling Establishment (outside FIDE) tends to blacklist the independent, intelligent and honest players. The election of the WPC officials is subject to rigorously democratic procedures that are inherent to the inner circles of our organization. No external interference will be tolerated. You are welcome to participate in the exchange of opinions at our forum. I ask your kind permission to post there your letter and my answer to you. With warm regards, Valery Salov<
Valery Salov
- Wednesday, March 21, 2001 at 23:10:27 (CET)

3/21/2001
Dear Sir, I have just seen the official site of the 'World Players Council' and would like some information. Is it an official organisation? Does it purport to represent all players, professional players, or just titled players? How are the officials elected? Thanks Yours faithfully, Tony Kosten
GM Tony Kosten
- Wednesday, March 21, 2001 at 22:58:58 (CET)

3/19/2001
Can I add my thanks to Mr. Shirov for his gammes at Corus. He reminds me of what someone once wrote of Keres: "There is something tragic about this handsome, polite, extraordinarily talented man who should have been the world's champion but who, through a combination of bad luck and nerves, never quite made it to the very top." There's still time, Alex! Forward Shirovovich!
Bullet
- Monday, March 19, 2001 at 00:27:39 (CET)

3/19/2001
Can we return to the subject of this board - the rights and wrongs of the WCC fiasco. At one time, all the right was on Shirov's side. The waters have become rather muddied a since then? I have been reading SuperYaz's articles on the Corus event. Here http://www.insidechess.com/events/waz6diary2001.html he talks about the handshake-that-never-was: "A circumstance that seems to have suited Alexei just fine. Garry was miffed at Alexei for allegedly accusing him of stating that the London Braingames match was "fixed" and that Garry would win. Clearly this didn't happen and to those who thought the match was fixed or a foregone conclusion were surprised by the one-sided result. For his part Alexei stated that Garry should be the one to apologize to him! Alexei claimed that he never made such public accusations." How public is public? An advertisement in the Wall Street Journal, to which Kasparov contributes, and Kramnik, as Head of the Stock Market School of Chess, reads? Tthe only way out of the current impasse is for Shirov to pen an apology along these lines: Dear World Number 1 and complete bastard, I sincerely apolgise for intimating that your recent title defence (which should by rights have been against me, you hairy ape bastard) was fixed. How was I to know that your previous form in match fixing with Karpov didn't apply here also? signed Alexei
Bullet
- Monday, March 19, 2001 at 00:11:06 (CET)

3/18/2001
Re: oldsock. It is just below the link to the forum, you are welcome.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Sunday, March 18, 2001 at 00:09:05 (CET)

3/14/2001
Can you provide an email address? From this rudimentary and ill-designed website, one was not readily to hand. Thank you.
Oldsock
- Wednesday, March 14, 2001 at 23:14:22 (CET)

3/13/2001
Re: oldsock. You can email to us your personal data for consideration. Though, it's our duty to warn you that your internazi tendencies will make it difficult for you to obtain the membership.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Tuesday, March 13, 2001 at 23:38:59 (CET)

3/11/2001
Re. El Secretario: Will you email me a membership application form? How many members does the WPC have? As WPC President (my election being a formality) am I expected to speak on behalf of just the membership or for all chess-players? I see that Azmaiparshvili, in addition to Shirov, has backed the shorter time-controls. My first act President will be to move to have this character banned for life from FIDE events for cheating. With Kasparov and Karpov to follow.
Oldsock
- Sunday, March 11, 2001 at 10:46:17 (CET)

3/6/2001
Re:oldsock. The wheels are always in motion. You should first apply for a membership.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Tuesday, March 06, 2001 at 23:01:56 (CET)

3/3/2001
A youthful democracy must first past the stage of conception. I am prepared to put myself forward to challenge Salov for the leadership of the WPC as a test of its democratic credentials. Please put the wheels in motion. I will prepare my manifesto and alert the press.
Oldsock
- Saturday, March 03, 2001 at 09:09:54 (CET)

3/2/2001
Re:oldsock,valentina. Please, stop your racist, anti-indoeuropean whining. Your attacks at the young chess democracy will bring no success. It's obvious to everyone that you are nothing else but apologists of the baby-killers.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Friday, March 02, 2001 at 23:44:05 (CET)

3/1/2001
I am sorry about my little boy asking stupid questions about democracy etc (stuff he doesn't understand). He tries to portray himself politically conscious - but alas - he is really soft upstairs. Wish he didn't get the bump in the head when he was 3 months old....
Valentina Salova <vsalova@myboyisbad.com>
- Thursday, March 01, 2001 at 01:39:58 (CET)

2/24/2001
Kuchma - evil but stupid http://www.ukar.org/kuchma17.shtml Illyumzhinov evil but smart. How else could this crapulous Asiatic take over our European game, (further) corrupt the office of FIDE President, unilaterally dismantle the World Championship cycle, steamroller through time control changes and still rely on the self-appointed President of the WPC to act as his public relations manager? Answers on a postcard to the Moral High Ground. Boy, its lonely up here.
Oldsock
- Saturday, February 24, 2001 at 01:50:08 (CET)

2/20/2001
Ñïàñèáî çà äîáðûå ïîæåëàíèÿ è ñïðàâåäëèâóþ êðèòèêó.
Valery
- Tuesday, February 20, 2001 at 21:54:29 (CET)

2/20/2001
Âàëåðèé, ïîçäðàâëÿþ, çàìå÷àòåëüíî ïèøåòå! clubkasparov.ru ÿâíî îñêàíäàëèëñÿ, îïóáëèêîâàâ ó ñåáÿ Âàøå ïèñüìî âìåñòå ñ äóðàöêèì îòâåòîì IM Í. Âëàñîâà. Ó ìåíÿ äàæå ñëîæèëîñü âïå÷àòëåíèå, ÷òî êòî-òî èç íèõ â ãëóáèíå äóøè õîòåë Âàì ïîäûãðàòü. ×òî êàñàåòñÿ ñòðàíè÷êè ajedrez_democratico.tripod.com - ñîäåðæàíèå ïðåâîñõîäíîå, íî äèçàéí îñòàâëÿåò æåëàòü ëó÷øåãî. Ïîâåðüòå, ýòî äàëåêî íå ìåëî÷ü! (Â ïîðÿäêå äåëîâîé êðèòèêè). Æåëàþ ëèòåðàòóðíîãî è øàõìàòíîãî âäîõíîâåíèÿ! Âàø áîëåëüùèê è ïîêëîííèê èç Ìîñêâû
Valery's Russian follower
Moscow, - Tuesday, February 20, 2001 at 02:23:00 (CET)

2/19/2001
Listen to me, kids, don’t squabble, listen to old wise Joe. I liked two things in life: to play chess and to hunt down commies. Through my lifetime I’ve gathered a huge archive on them. You should know something – IBM helped me a lot, Thomas J Watson was a big pal of mine, long before Internet he had designed swanky punch cards to track the filthy commies. Not a single one could have escaped us. Listen to me, of all the chess players born after 1960 there was only one gloomy, morbid, filthy commie, member of the Soviet Communist nomenclature – it was Kasparov. I have a separate punch card on him, here it is: born Weinstein - 1963, joined the CPSU – 1983, renegade – 1989. In the late 80s lots and lots of his kinsmen changed colors, they got special orders from their superiors and started to scream, squeal and wail by every wall to show each of us how they hated communism. But they didn’t trick old wise Joe. You should know this, kids.
Joseph McCarthy Sr. <Bethesda, Maryland>
- Monday, February 19, 2001 at 15:53:15 (CET)

2/18/2001
On February 16, U.S. planes bombed south of Baghdad at approximately 1:55 pm EST today (8:55 pm in Iraq). While this bombing of Baghdad was dramatic, catching the world's attention and demonstrating the aggressive nature of the Bush administration, the fact is that since December 1998 (when the U.S. bombed Iraq for four straight days in so-called Operation Desert Fox), the U.S. has dropped nearly 20,000 bombs and missiles on Iraq. These bombings are always said to be hitting anti-aircraft, but have hit a water reservoir, hospitals and schools. Hundreds, if not thousands, of Iraqis died from these bombings. And even when there's no bombing, 5,000 Iraq children die each month as a direct result of the U.S.- led UN sanctions. This Bush administration is clearly following in the footsteps of the previous two administrations, those of Bill Clinton and George Bush Sr. This bombing is also a message to the Arab World that the U.S. supports the election of the right-wing war criminal Ariel Sharon as Prime Minister of Israel.
Ramsey Clark <Former US Attorney General>
- Sunday, February 18, 2001 at 18:40:37 (CET)

2/18/2001
Dados los acontecimientos, ¿No debería ser elegiod Rich "Hombre del año" en USa?. Y, dada su rapidez en los apuros de tiempo, - tres horas antes de dejar el poder Clinton indultó a diestro y siniestro- ¿No debería ser elegido Bill Clinton World Blitz chess champion?. Y, dada su sabia adhesión a causas podridas, ¿No debería ser elegido Juan Carlos I, rey de España, abogado del diablo?. Reconozcamos los indudables méritos de cada uno...
Excalibur
- Sunday, February 18, 2001 at 04:58:19 (CET)

2/17/2001
I have a question for the babe with Encyclopedia: You, Yanks, have invented the electric chair and, addle-pated as you are, must be a hell of proud of it. Now, you seem to agree that Clinton, Gore and the entire criminal clique are guilty of (unintentionally?) exterminating of at least 12 million Russians and Ukrainians during the last decade under the guise of some ghoulish reforms. How about offering them a seat?
bondadosa <bondadosa@hola.org>
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 21:22:10 (CET)

2/17/2001
The British invented cars, we invented roads, we invented farming, we invented America, we invented chess - we even invented invention. As for the question of self-sufficiency in food, we also invented international trade. See the work of the great English classical economists (we invented economics as well). The English were partial to a bit of Irish potato.
Bullet
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 19:37:55 (CET)

2/17/2001
Henry Ford propagated the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion in the States, but didn't he later do a U-turn and disassociate himself from them? I think the SS whe deciding on their uniform payed direct tribute to Ford's dictum: any colour as long as it's black. In the history of fashion, the SS were the first to realise that dressing from head to foot in black makes you look hard.
Bullet
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 19:33:46 (CET)

2/17/2001
Probably what Fischer meant by calling Seirawan Jewish. His wife is also Jewish - Nagel, I mean, that's got to be a Jewish name.
Bullet
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 19:27:40 (CET)

2/17/2001
Yes, she is.
Mike
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 15:14:14 (CET)

2/17/2001
If you include steam-powered vehicles in your definition of automobile then the French were first. Benz developed the first internal combustion engine powered vehicle. Either way, your claim that the Americans invented the automobile is false. Incidentally, Henry Ford was an anti-semite and a Nazi sympathiser, like many other Americans of his time.
Mike
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 14:12:48 (CET)

2/17/2001
Mike, is Seirawan's mom Jewish?
innocent
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 10:08:38 (CET)

2/17/2001
The constitution says ALL MEN WERE CREATED EQUAL. What happens after that is another story entirely. Maybe you people should stop believing what you see on TV. Clinton and his hollywood connections are gone. He and Rich will probably spend much jail time watching TV. We do provide cable for the criminals, but that could change too.
BMcC
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:57:29 (CET)

2/17/2001
HA! Benz invented a motorized tricycle!! Daimler only improved on motor design. Everyone knows Henry Ford invented the 1st automoblile made for mass distribution. Who invented the 1st car is another question, but it is absolutely not the Germans or the British: The first successful self-propelled road vehicle was a steam automobile invented in 1770 by the French engineer Nicolas Joseph Cugnot. "Automobile Industry," Microsoft(R) Encarta(R) 98 Encyclopedia. (c) 1993-1997 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
BMcC
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:47:59 (CET)

2/17/2001
Painting stripes ona donkey doesn't make it a zebra. If the guy's mother is English and he was born in Syria, how does anyone get to calling him an American? Don't blame us for Yasser, he is a Syrian and represents only his own self interest. He hasn't had a real job in his whole life and has probably wasted more money from American chess than the next 5 people combined.
BMcC
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 08:41:16 (CET)

2/17/2001
¿Qué ha sucedido con el prófugo magnate indultado Rich?. Pues que todos los ciudadanos de los Estados Unidos son iguales, pero algunos más iguales que otros. ¿O han sido sus conexiones judías las que han presionado en su favor?. Al menos Rich puede presumir de tener un Letrado conocido, el rey de España. Juan Carlos I escribió una carta a Clinton abogando por sus intereses...
Excalibur
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 04:02:50 (CET)

2/17/2001
Seirawan is as much English as Syrian, his mother is English, and they left Syria for England when he was 2.
Mike
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 02:31:34 (CET)

2/17/2001
Karl Benz invented the automobile, it was the Germans' fault.
Mike
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 02:11:37 (CET)

2/17/2001
Karl Benz and Gottlieb Daimler invented the automobile.
Mike
- Saturday, February 17, 2001 at 02:05:35 (CET)

2/16/2001
Where is your reference to who invented the internet? Its easy to yap with lies, a but harder to back things up with facts. The internet was up and running years before a brit did anything. The only thing I know of that was invented in england was the church of england because King Henry got himself excommunicated for being a mass murderer and offing his wives. Did you know you drive on the wrong side of the road? We invented the automobile too.
BMcC
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:41:37 (CET)

2/16/2001
Seirewan is Syrian, all your stereotyped simpleton thinking won't change that. He is a foreigner and always will be one. Just because America is more hospitible to its guests (England won't allow visiting students to work at more than slave jobs for example) doesn't make them all Americans. IF you are judging Americans by Syrians you are an idiot plain and simple.
BMcC
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:37:05 (CET)

2/16/2001
maybe Britian should have invented farming, for a country that hasn't been able to feed itself for hundreds of years you sure have a high opinion of things. It is pretty ironic for someone whose country holds another by military force to be trying to take the high road. The people who want to be part of the United States are there by choice. Why not let Ireland vote on being a part of your old dilapidated "empire". The US is mroe than happy to let Puerto Rico decide its fate. Tyrants complain about Clinton, ha!
BMcC
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 20:34:46 (CET)

2/16/2001
Seirawan is your archetypal American, the immigrant made good, always banging on about how proud he is to be from good 'ole US of A. Don't get me wrong, Seirawan's one of the good guys, even Salov likes him. He has charisma with a capital K. It's all that aftershave he wears. Anyway, it doesn't amount to a hill of beans - America is a chess wasteland. The question is - will Asia wrestle chess supremacy from Europe? They've already taken over the executive with pretty disastrous consequences.
Bullet
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:44:38 (CET)

2/16/2001
He cuts and pastes from Microsoft Encarta of all places! History according to Bill Gates and friends. Oh, the pure babe in arms! The British invented the Internet. I think we pretty much invented everything. The Americans have a talent for promotion. Wonderful machinists as well. Yes, being anti-semitic we hate the A-rabs too! Now Clinton admitted that Israel were behind his decision to pardon Rich.
Bullet
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 19:35:52 (CET)

2/16/2001
Well gramps really didn't like some of you commies. After getting to know some of you here, I see why.
Joseph McCarthy III
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 17:04:21 (CET)

2/16/2001
History lesson for the illiterate (and there seems to be a lot of your here): The US government had the basics of the internet since the 60's. I'll pick up where I left off with the arpanet, yrs before the WWW concept was hatched in england. As ARPANET grew in the 1970s, with more and more universities and institutions connecting to it, users found it necessary to establish standards for the way that data was transmitted over the network. To meet the needs of data transmission standards, computer scientists developed the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) and the Internet Protocol (IP). During the 1970s various government, scientific, and academic groups developed their own networks. Examples include the Department of Energy's (DoE) Magnetic Fusion Energy Network (MFENet), the High Energy Physics NETwork (HEPNET), and the National Science Foundation NETwork (NSFNET). In 1989 English computer scientist Timothy Berners-Lee introduced the World Wide Web. Berners-Lee initially designed the WWW to aid communication between physicists who were working in different parts of the world for the European Laboratory for Particle Physics (CERN). As it grew, however, the WWW revolutionized the use of the Internet. "Internet," Microsoft(R) Encarta(R) 98 Encyclopedia. (c) 1993-1997 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
BMcC
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:41:26 (CET)

2/16/2001
Clinton should go to jail, why are you self serving clowns still talking about him? We have a new president now, his name is W. Get used to it. His father used to run the CIA. We probably have files on all you mentally unstable types. Its our internet, we're watching......
BMcC
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:16:00 (CET)

2/16/2001
talk about abonymous crap! The internet was originally a US government web called ARPA or something like that. Just like this page to be full of lies it seems. Talk about anonymous bull. Don't you antisemetic losers feel real proud of yourselves now that you know you have been bashing a 100% arab on your page for months???????????? Yasser the syrian is real proud of you guys!
BMcC
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 16:09:49 (CET)

2/16/2001
Apparently, 1% of the US prison population is Jewish. 30% of those pardoned by Clinton were Jewish. Go figure. And it was the British who invented the Internet.
Bullet
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 15:54:46 (CET)

2/16/2001
Grandson, why did you leave the A and N bomb out of the list? Are you still being taught in the NY primary schools that it was Alan Greenspan who invented the gravitation? Read, what the British think about Clinton’s administration: “THE YANKS are at it again, trying to forcibly impose themselves upon other people and other countries, as policemen of a New World Order that no-one wants. Whatever they say in public the real reason for the USA's interest in Iraq is that Iraq is a stumbling block to the USA's plans to subdue the world for International Zionism. The USA has always been Israel's main ally and never more so than now. Facts are facts: · Over 50% of Clinton's White House appointments have gone to Zionists whilst they constitute a mere 3% of the USA's population. · Clinton's Zionist appointees include the entire leadership of the CIA, both of his nominations to the Supreme Court and all of his appointments to the Federal Reserve Board! · The USA have around 100 military bases in the British Isles from which they try to drag us into wars against countries that we have no quarrel with.” - “Voice of St. George”.
Joseph McCarthy,Sr. <Bethesda, Maryland>
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 14:47:28 (CET)

2/16/2001
Are you saying bondados is a real name?? or is that baby talk?
Brian McCarthy <BMcC>
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 09:23:27 (CET)

2/16/2001
The baby is Salov of course. I didn't read all of the discussion before posting, and my post is only directed as the anti-american rantings of Salov. Before the ungrateful whine they should consider who invented the internet they use to cry on, or the phone line they use to log in with, or the electricity they use to run their computer. Without the USA, you would probably still be reading by candle.
BMcC
- Friday, February 16, 2001 at 09:19:50 (CET)

2/15/2001
The World According to Soros, The New Yorker, 23Jan95, p. 70: That he, a foreigner, has been able to stride so purposefully across the political landscape of this country [Ukraine] is probably due to a number of factors, among them his having arrived so early in its independence, and stayed; his partnership with Hawrylyshyn, who is widely admired, and trusted for his patriotism.... Still, it was not until his man became President that Soros was able to begin effectively mobilizing for the kind of change that he and others in the West had long envisioned. ... But Kuchma respects Soros, and Kuchma needs to be convinced by memos prepared by Soros." Soros makes no bones about the interventionist nature of his role in Ukraine. At one point, he remarked, jocularly, "If this isn't meddling in the affairs of a foreign nation, I don't know what is!" ... Soros commented, "I look at Ukraine with the same frame of mind as I look at REITs.... By my intervention, I make it happen!"
Ñonnie Bruck <George Soros (Schwartz) in Ukraine>
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 22:01:21 (CET)

2/15/2001
Hi, bmcc333; whom do you address, anonymous baby?
bondadosa <bondadosa@hola.org>
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 19:14:14 (CET)

2/15/2001
Seirawan is a Syrian, leave out the American bashing, democratic wanna be!!! I don't think there are any perfect countries, but your childish anti-american tirades are the stock in trade of Yasser's Syrian homeland and ruins your entire argument. There are plenty of things with which to make fun of Yasser, rather than blame a country to which he is not native. This American doesn't claim him, I don't think he has any business representing America. I also don't think your old commies have any business disrespecting the greatest country on this planet. Your rantings make you look like an over medicated grammar school kid.
201-653-7372 <bmcc333@aol.com>
NY, NY USA - Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 04:12:33 (CET)

2/15/2001
The still secret Gore-Chernomyrdin agreement not only flouted law, but also failed to safeguard our national interest and security... The agreement’s apparent purpose was to facilitate a Russian aid policy that resulted in the squandering of American tax dollars for the benefit of a kleptocratic elite, rather than the Russian people... From an American perspective, it would appear that one of the purposes of the Gore-Chernomyrdin Commission may have been to burnish the Vice President’s foreign policy credentials and make his management of U.S.-Russia relations a centerpiece of his potential campaign themes. It is now self-evident that U.S. policy failed, and the Gore-Chernomyrdin Commission is a symbol of that failure... Many Russians have concluded the West deliberately impoverished their country. Today only 37 percent of the Russian people have a favorable view of the U.S., down from 70 percent in 1993.
James A. Leach <U.S. House of Representatives>
- Thursday, February 15, 2001 at 00:21:41 (CET)

2/14/2001
I am really sorry for all this wpc crap. i am yet to recover from the bump on my head i suffered when i was 3 months old ....
Valery Salov <vsalov@ignorewpc.com>
- Wednesday, February 14, 2001 at 09:32:08 (CET)

2/14/2001
Sabio, para conspirar hay que tener sesos. Vosotros no estais capacitados ni para aprender vuestra propia historia, ¿cómo vais a planificar el futuro? Sólo sabeis mentir, robar y destruir, nada más.
bondadosa <bondadosa@hola.org>
- Wednesday, February 14, 2001 at 00:59:28 (CET)

2/13/2001
Debo reconocer que hemos sido descubiertos por la brillante astucia del Sr.Salov! Nuestra conspiracion por dominar el mundo ha sido destruida. No lo logramos con el camarada Stalin (Stalinski) ni con Hitler (Hitlerberg). Hasta el secretariado del WPC ha sido infiltrado por nosotros pero fuimos derrotados por el genio del Sr. Salov (Salovski).
El Sabio <elsabio@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, February 13, 2001 at 07:49:53 (CET)

2/12/2001
Without international support the current Ukrainian regime would have no chance to behave as arrogantly in its own country. It was with money received from international institutions and individual countries like USA that the huge repressive machine was built and has been maintained. Assisted by the Mafia and other criminal structures, it ruthlessly deals with those opposed to the acting President and keeps the entire Ukrainian populace intimidated. Without political and material support from foreign partners these “reform operetta” characters would not have stood a chance to keep in power even for a year. Moreover, this support disorients the population, begetting and asserting political apathy and disillusionment about one’s ability to oppose the existing regime.
bondadosa <bondadosa@hola.org>
- Monday, February 12, 2001 at 01:38:11 (CET)

2/11/2001
Re:oldsock. 1."And I confess deep concern that the policies pursued by the president [Bill Clinton] and Mr.Gore, through the so-called Gore-Chernomyrdin Commission, may have abetted corruption in Russia." - Jesse Helms. "And in Ukraine as well." - Valery Salov. 2.Vice World Champion Shirov is entitled to get reparations from the mafia.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Sunday, February 11, 2001 at 13:16:27 (CET)

2/8/2001
Does the WPC and Mr. Shirov, for that matter, recognise the outcome if not the legitimacy of the London match? Who is Shirov now entitled to a match against? Kasparov oder Kramnik?
Oldsock
- Thursday, February 08, 2001 at 23:02:05 (CET)

2/8/2001
While unhappily noting that the WPC has again failed to give proper account of itself, I now request that Mr. Salov give us his opinion of the disquieting case of Mr. Leonid Kuchma, President of Ukraine, deeply implicated in the abduction and horrible murder of a journalist. See here for background: http://www.ukar.org/kuchma.shtml The reason I ask is because it bears a passing resemblance to the case of our beloved chess leader Mr. Illyumzhinov. Will Salov find grounds to defend Mr. Kuchman from corrupt Internazi journalists, Western totalitarian governments etc.?
Oldsock
- Thursday, February 08, 2001 at 22:55:53 (CET)

1/29/2001
Match K-K 2000 was the worst case of chess CHEATING in History! It was CRAP!! The main CHEATER then says, “I'm not going to shake my victim’s hand anymore, I’m offended by my own ignominy!” This is GROSS! This is Goebbels type!
bondadosa <bondadosa@hola.org>
Hollywood, - Monday, January 29, 2001 at 07:29:31 (CET)

1/27/2001
I agree. On top of it kasparov and kramnik want an apology from Shirov. This is gross
Dany <dany@dany.com>
- Saturday, January 27, 2001 at 03:12:28 (CET)

1/27/2001
One last thing about Kramnik. I have read several interviews, in New in Chess and other places by Vladimir Kramnik, where he has stated, that for him "MONEY" does not matter. But only Chess. Just have to play good Chess and be the best. Ok. agreed. Very respectable!. But Vlad, Try living up to these words. Its easy to say, but hard to keep. So, why did you play the match with Kapsparov? Was it because of Chess? NO. It was because Gary likes you .. thats all. Now to be a real challenger, you had to beat Shirov in Cazorla.. but You lost. You Lost. You LOst. You LOSt and YOU LOST! So wheres the honor? whers the commitment to your words? Ok, lets forget about this. This is history right? What about Linares? Why do you want the same kind of money that Kasparov and Karpov recieved? WHY? Why not just play chess "FOR FREE" or for the figure you got last year in Linares? Good competition, good opponents, good place to show your great Chess skills, in Petroff and Berlin..(snicker.snicker..) what else do you need? C'mon Vlad, you are just like the rest us. Nothing to be ashamed of. Just fess up. Stop taking such moral high grounds. You cant hold on to it. Peace!
Srinivasan Ramiah <srini@vibesoft.com>
New Jersey, USA - Saturday, January 27, 2001 at 02:35:01 (CET)

1/26/2001
Hey Peter_N. I posted the msg. So talk to me. Also, try and not be anonymous.
Srinivasan <srini@vibesoft.com>
- Friday, January 26, 2001 at 02:14:46 (CET)

1/26/2001
Hey Srinivasan - stop your jingoism. El Secretario and Valery "I am brain dead" Salov - You guys suck big time.
peter_N <valery@sucksalot.com>
- Friday, January 26, 2001 at 02:10:08 (CET)

1/26/2001
Hello All. First, I totally agree with Valery's Open letter. I just hope other GM's will take some initiative in joining the "right" side of the debate. Ok, lets see. On one side you have Anand, who won a gruelling tournament, capped with a brilliant victory over Shirov. He became WC. I think he was already WC in 1997, NOT consiering the farce with Karpov and FIDE's stupidity, but thats just my opinion. On the other side Kramnik also won a brilliant victory over Gary. But, the problem is, Kramnik "DID NOT DESERVE THE SHOT" at what ever it was that Kasparov held! In any case, it should have been SHIROV, and being the biggest possible fan of Anand, I will admit, his decision to agree to play Gary last year, in the least was hasty. He shouldn't have done that. In any case Anand (and in a way I am thankful for that, because he himself may not have been happy of depriving Shirov) didn't get a shot, but Kramnik did ..why?? However, now there is just one champ, thats Anand. Just to add to the history, El Khalif was the previous WC. Now lets take a look at the FIDE WCC itself. Journalists, Mark Crowther, included, have always written, that there is a certain amount of luck or the lottery factor involved. Ok.., 1. So what? Whats wrong with it? It happens. At least you dont get to be "Lucky" by just asking for it. You still have to play chess. 2. In TWIC XXX (dont remeber the number), but Kramink after, his reasonable performance in Vegas (he lost to Adams) wrote an absolutely ridiculous article, on how top players always had to play top players and actually didn't do too badly. Well VLAD, tough. You lost fair and square and thats it. 3. Its about time, that Gary and Kramnik just play in the FIDE WCC and we will see, who the next WCC is. Its very simple .. compete and Win on the Chess board. 4. Lets not talk about Gary's differences with FIDE. He is going to play in the up coming, Fide Rapid World cup, isn't he? Anyway, who the hell is he to decide if the money is clean? Leave it to appropriate authorities. Maybe he should just play chess and concentrate on his own business activities.. 5. Time controls.. So what if its shorter? Every body has the same conditions .. just compete and stop complaining. Personally, I would like the older time formats, but why reject something before trying it out. 6. The Media coverage in India was great, Mark. You just dont realize it. Dont trust everything written in kasparovchess.com.
Srinivasan Ramiah <srini@vibesoft.com>
New Jersey, USA - Friday, January 26, 2001 at 01:18:40 (CET)

1/25/2001
Re: Valerio, Jack Daniels, John Matthews, Mark, Luke and oldsock. Take it easy, guys! Let’s make a new covenant with you. You have come here for two reasons: 1.to suffer 2.to get cured of racism and internazism. We guarantee only 85% of success; the rest depends on you. Please, write less, read and suffer more – this is the prescribed treatment for you.You will like it after a while.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 23:49:27 (CET)

1/25/2001
Sorry, Mr. El Secretario but I suggest that Mr. Salov find a replacement for you. Your non-answer was entirely predictable. I do not presume to set up a Council speaking on behalf of chessplayers.
Oldsock
- Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 21:32:48 (CET)

1/25/2001
Hi This is Valerio Salov, Valery's father. Im sorry to say that he is not too good in the head. He is a crazy loco because he just doesnt know how to conduct himself. He is bananas a kookoo bird.
Valerio Salov <valerios@hotmail.com>
Madrid, Espana - Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 19:06:12 (CET)

1/25/2001
Re:foo. You can write to Yasser's e-mail address yasser@insidechess.com
El Secretariado del WPC
- Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 16:40:08 (CET)

1/25/2001
Re:oldsock. You are tossy but preach modesty; you come here anonymously and insist on knowing the other folks’ names. Remember, old maid: 1.a double standard in behavior is typical of brainless internazis, they are never able to conceal it for long; 2.to hurt a human being doesn’t always mean threatening to his (her) physical integrity; 3.Greengard is of no importance at all, he is BIN and PP, like his boss. We call him Miggs; this character, with his “attacks”, was well described by Thomas Harris in “The Silence of the Lambs”.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 16:31:08 (CET)

1/25/2001
Sorry Salov, I dont see where youre coming from. Plus, with the way you address others I highly doubt your pathetic website will ever have more traffic than TWIC or even KasparovChess. You got some major problems Valery. Childhood trauma? Go ahead and post this on your forum.
Jack Daniels <moomba@bellatlantic.com>
Boston, MA - Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 12:36:11 (CET)

1/25/2001
I think its great to have opinions about the ins and outs of the chess world but not to the point of insulting others and bringing in comments that are completely inappropriate. Sorry Salov, you just lost a fan.
John Matthews <najdorf7@hotmail.com>
New York, New York - Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 12:30:33 (CET)

1/25/2001
WHERE the FUCK are you YASSER?
foo <foo@bar.com>
foo, bar bar - Thursday, January 25, 2001 at 02:22:31 (CET)

1/24/2001
Has there been an attempt on the life of El Presidente Salov then? If the WPC members will not identify themselves then your project will not extend beyond this website. While welcoming questions to your "open and democratic forum" (a neat trick this to use quotation marks), does the WPC think they could extend this to openly and honestly answering them? I would now like to ask Mr. Salov what he makes of attack by Mickey Greengard on him?
Oldsock
- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 23:14:47 (CET)

1/24/2001
Re:oldsock. The WPC comprises chess players. Modesty is one of the greatest human virtues. In the modern “western democratic society” only the most shameless and impudent crooks are honored and praised, the men of virtue are too easy prey for them and are being methodically exterminated. Personal security of its members being one of the WPC’s priorities, our President will not follow your advice not to get exposed to the risk of appearing excessively virtuous
El Secretariado del WPC
- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 22:28:40 (CET)

1/24/2001
Will Mr. Salov answer a straightforward question: who comprises the WPC? In return, I offer him a small piece of well-intentioned advide: please, show a litle more modesty.
Oldsock
- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 20:37:40 (CET)

1/24/2001
Re:Mark Crowther. I have already answered so many times to this question! You see, Mark, what happens: you, journalists, have imposed a totalitarian informational and economical blockade over our Council, never publish our materials, gag us, suppress our freedom of expression, deny us our democratic right to dissent from your one-dimensional primitive thinking, blacklist the rebels and at the same time complain that you have too little information about us. In my opinion it's an excess of cynicism from your part, but, of course, you don't recognise my right to have an opinion different from yours! You have an excellent example of democratic attitude in our site: we always welcome and even encourage all our critics even though they usually come without any arguments at all and only call names at us. Why are we so confident and democratic? Because we are right, because the truth is on our side, because we are not afraid of open and honest debate (contrary to you or Yasser). Believe me, Mark, the display of Brainless Nazism in London was unnecessary, unwarrantable, huge mistake. I had never counted you among the Nazi hawks, Mark, but even you can't stand any healthy criticism of your lobby. Now none of you is innocent anymore and your only concern should be how to amend the situation. Instead you are trying again to play a violated innocence. First of all you should overcome your hatred towards freedom of speech, learn to respect your opponents' points of view, take into consideration the other people's rights and lives. This would be a great step forward by you. And only you can make this decision for yourself.
Valery Salov <valerisv@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, January 24, 2001 at 00:30:18 (CET)

1/22/2001
Dear Yasser, At least provide a way on your stupid site (that takes 10 dayes to load), to email you. YOU ARE A PRICK
XXXX <xxx@xxx.com>
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 04:41:17 (CET)

1/22/2001
Dear Yasser, At least provide a way on your stupid site (that takes 10 dayes to load), to email you. YOU ARE A PRICK
XXXX <xxx@xxx.com>
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 04:40:55 (CET)

1/22/2001
Yasser, When it was written, that YOU are no more than a ASS kisser, I was angry.. did not believe it. But I must admit, Salov, was on the mark. In fact you are worse than that. Ok. Lets take Inside chess online. NOT ON F..... LINE ABout Anand Winning the World Championship. Why? DID GARRY SQUEEZE YOUR B....s. PEOPLE LIKE YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO WRITE. STOP WRITING About Intl tournaments. Write about SOME BS, IN SEATTLE CHESS CLUB, that NO ONE OR YOU AND YOUR F... FAMILY WOULD READ.
AWisher <foo@bar.com>
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 04:26:45 (CET)

1/22/2001
What I don't like about the WPC is that it never says who it > represents (it implies the players but I see no evidence that it ever > consults significant players apart from possibly Shirov but even that > isn't clear) or what it is.
Mark Crowther <mdcrowth@netcomuk.co.uk>
- Monday, January 22, 2001 at 00:50:37 (CET)

1/1/2001
Re: enrique. "Quien hace las preguntas maneja el debate..."- Una magnífica observación, que revela sabiduría y hasta cierta experiencia en el tema. ¡Enhorabuena! Sin embargo, nosotros manejamos el debate tanto haciendo las preguntas, como respondiendolas. Ten paciencia, Enrique, poco a poco te iremos explicando quiénes son, los que deben algo a los demas. ¡Felices fiestas!
El Secretariado del WPC
- Monday, January 01, 2001 at 19:51:58 (EST)

12/29/2000
Re: Objectivity. The main problem with the likes of Leontxo Garcia, Henderson, Miggs, and so on, is not in their corruptedness, lack of education and intellect (though it´s also true), but rather lies in the fact that they form an ethnically hermetic corporation which suppresses every opinion that doesn't suit the interests of their racist group. It is not "a giant conspiracy" but a very trivial and primitive form of Nazism, or InterNazism, to be more precise. By now this phenomenon has already been very well studied and described. These people always try to reduce every protest to some biased, personal emotions, and your remarks only follow the general trend. Now about your questions, our objective friend: 1) Did FIDE give bounced checks to the Las Vegas players? - Yes, and we´ll do our best to kick Israel Gelfer, who was personally responsible for this supposed crime, out of FIDE. Thank you for helping us. 2) Is Ilyumzhinov under investigation by Moscow for financial malfeasance in Kalmykia? - We have no information about it, but we know for sure that he did not flee from Moscow like Vladimir Gusinsky, the WJC Vice-President, did. For the moment, the Spanish judge Baltasar Garzon refused to extradite Gusinsky to the Russian authorities and hereby blocked all attempts to try him for the committed crimes. We also know that Bill Clinton, Madeleine Albright and Javier Solana were sentenced to 20 years of imprisonment for their crimes against the Yugoslavian people. Try to enforce this sentence on them, our objective and not too crazy friend. 3) Was there significant media attention to the FIDE KO events? - Yes. The World Championship in Delhi-Tehran had a fantastic coverage in India and Iran. Only Western Nazi journalistic groups tried to ignore or downtalk the event. It´s our personal challenge to educate these people and explain to them their mistakes. You are welcome to ask more questions.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Friday, December 29, 2000 at 12:56:55 (EST)

12/20/2000
Guys, Regarding WCC2000, in India/Iran, I feel El Khalif got a raw deal as far as pairings go. I mean to meet Leko in Rd 3 and Anand in Rd 4, well its a bit too much. Also, mind you, the opponents had a tough time against Khalif. But the point is, cant FIDE work out something where the defending champ, will not meet the top dogs till later in the event?? The pairing system must definitely be improved. -Srini
Srinivasan Ramiah <srini@yacc-sys.com>
New Jersey USA - Wednesday, December 20, 2000 at 01:49:27 (EST)

12/18/2000
Porque "farsa"? Escribir una pregunta asi es como preguntar, "dejaste de golpear tu mujer?" Quien hace las preguntas maneja el debate... Y quien debe algo a Shirov? Kasparov? Rentero? El mundo? Por que? Lo que le paso era jodido, seguro, pero no era la culpa de nadia menos el, como Shirov jugo con un contrato no firmado por los supuestos esponsores. Entonces estan diciendo aqui que Kasparov no debia haber jugado otro match jamas en su vida menos uno contra Shirov, a pesar de que nadie quiso poner la lana por tal match? No tiene sentido.
enrique
- Monday, December 18, 2000 at 12:04:19 (EST)

12/18/2000
Not to interrupt this two (three?) person discussion with facts, but I haven't seen so much paranoid, self-serving silliness in a long time. Everyone who has ever done Valery Salov wrong (real or perceived) is "anti-democratic" or "corrupt" or from "the West" or some other ideological epithet. Why not just say, "Hey, I think Kasparov screwed me over in the past and I hate his guts," and get it over with? Talk about intellectual dishonesty, or maybe simply not wanting to admit to feeling such base, personal emotions. It's possible to disagree with someone without there being a giant conspiracy. Leonxto Garcia and Yasser Seirawan are not part of a mafia. People read them and listen to them because they write well, speak from knowledge, and generally know what they are talking about. If you disagree with them say why instead of rambling on forever in some attempt to "decode" what they are saying. Give the Umberto Eco imitation a rest. You attack them personally but present no answer when it comes to the facts. Instead you have counter-accusations, the typical reaction of someone with no answer. The inability to give a one-word answer ("Yes" or "No") to a simple question is a serious show of weakness. Did FIDE give bounced checks to Las Vegas players? Yes or no? Is Ilyumzhinov under investigation by Moscow for financial malfeasance in Kalmykia? Yes or no? Was there significant media attention to the FIDE KO events? (No, but it's a conspiracy! Of course!)Etc. People aren't fools when they ask for evidence. And Salov should write essays with his own opinions AND do interviews in New Delhi instead of trying to do both at the same time, offending his readers and his subjects both. Objectivity
Objectivity <salovesloco@hotmail.com>
flint, michigan USA - Monday, December 18, 2000 at 11:25:10 (EST)

12/9/2000
After censoring Salov´s interview to Xie Jun we can see good examples of nazis. We don´t need Salov to tell their names. We know who they are - politicians and journalists. When they read Salov´s interview they forced FIDE to censor him
your shadow
- Saturday, December 09, 2000 at 02:18:49 (EST)

12/9/2000
I have followed the course of Salov's evident contempt for Kasparov from his 1993 refusal to shake his hand, through his entertaing sallies in NIC, right up to this his latest project. I can't help but think that there must be more to it than Salov lets on. Something personal.
Oldmaid
- Saturday, December 09, 2000 at 00:51:06 (EST)

12/9/2000
Read Larry Parr's take on the WCC controversy: http://www.110.gotochess.com/English/chessNews/chessNews-191000-circusMatch-larryParr.php
Oldmaid
- Saturday, December 09, 2000 at 00:46:28 (EST)

12/9/2000
Not speaking Spanish, I am unable to read the relevant articles on your site. Evidently, Mr. Garcia is one such gang member (leader?), but, please, who else?
Oldmaid
- Saturday, December 09, 2000 at 00:37:50 (EST)

12/9/2000
No, you misunderstand - I just didn't want to malign Salov unfairly. Call it my inbred sense of natural justice. In that vein, I suggest you stop putting words into my mouth; that or show where I defended said journalists. The task remains for you to name these 'Internazis'.
Oldmaid
- Saturday, December 09, 2000 at 00:31:45 (EST)

11/29/2000
Re: oldmaid. Remember, it's a democratic forum and you are entitled to express here your opinion whatever it is (as well as GM Khalifman). This is the difference between us and the journalists that are being defended by you. If you need names, just read materials published no our site.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Wednesday, November 29, 2000 at 08:45:50 (EST)

11/26/2000
I don't want to malign Salov unfairly, but I can't help recalling the following: "Unfortunately Morphy fell under the influence of Edge, an Iago-like journalist who, under the pretext of acting as self-appointed secretary to Morphy, manipulated him..to render his reports more sensational."
Oldmaid
- Sunday, November 26, 2000 at 12:02:09 (EST)

11/26/2000
Re. Oldsock. 1) Please desist from public displays of sycophancy. If I want that sort of thing, I'll visit Kasparovchess.com 2) I think it behooves you to name members of said journalistic gangs or else it's just talk. 3)Khalifman rubbished the claim that K-K match was fixed and said he had too much respect for Kramnik.
Oldmaid
- Sunday, November 26, 2000 at 11:46:33 (EST)

11/25/2000
Re:oldmaid. 1. Our president is widely known for lucidity of his mind, nothing can cloud his judgement, including far stronger stimuli than money. 2. You have noticed "chess holocaust", fine, please pay heed to "journalistic gangs" as well. 3. "Californian deal" never existed on paper, in your own words it was no "legally binding document", so there's no need to drag it in.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Saturday, November 25, 2000 at 00:31:06 (EST)

11/23/2000
I've never heard the full story behind this $600,000 Californian deal. All I know is this: a) the offer was made b) Shirov rejected it as too low - only $200,000 for the loser for two matches would barely cover the bills c) William Wirth 'generously' added another $200,000 to the prize fund so Shirov may have seen another $75K d)still too low, plus Shirov had other potential bidders e) all of sudden the Californian offer disappeared in a puff of smoke f) Kasparov's arbitrary deadline passed g) the recriminations began Have I missed anything out?
Maid
- Thursday, November 23, 2000 at 00:42:30 (EST)

11/23/2000
Incidentally, your 'chess holocaust' wisecrack didn't go unnoticed :) Also, when is Salov returning? It would be nice to hear his comments/corrections to Ree's piece at Chesscafe.com: http://www.chesscafe.com/hans/hans.htm
Maid
- Thursday, November 23, 2000 at 00:31:54 (EST)

11/23/2000
Re. El Secretario. Presumably, Gelfand would have signed a legally binding document. Karpov will tell you all about that. Shirov signed nothing which carried a signature from the most important signatory ie.the moneyman. BTW Salov was part of Shirov's team then. Maybe the prospect of his cut of Shirov's money temporarily blinded his judgment also. Another difference with the FIDE event is that Gelfand or Shirov for that matter aren't seeded to the semi-final.
Maid
- Thursday, November 23, 2000 at 00:22:45 (EST)

11/22/2000
Re: Maid. Try to imagine, e.g., B.Gelfand has qualified for the World Championship Final in Tehran and is denied his place on a pretext of "low commercial value" for the Iranian public, his prize money not paid to him and his opponent from the semifinal given his place in the final. What a storm of screaming and squealing would be raised by the journalistic gangs all over the world! Wouldn't the case be branded as a "chess holocaust"? Would there be anyone talking about "the integrity" of the loser from the semifinal? The KK farce was, is and will forever remain a very negative publicity for the whole InterNazi community. It's high time the scoundrels acknowledge the committed crimes, show signs of repentance, apologize and start paying reparations to their victims.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Wednesday, November 22, 2000 at 22:24:17 (EST)

11/20/2000
Having a pop at Kramnik because he usurped Shirov's right is one thing; accusing him of chucking a match is quite another. Next time I see Shirov on ICC, I will encourage him to apologise. BTW when is Salov getting back?
Maid
- Monday, November 20, 2000 at 00:13:54 (EST)

11/19/2000
I heard that the score between Kramnik and Shirov since Cazorle is 2-0 to Kramnik. Is this correct? I'm no suggesting, of course, that this in anyway negates Shirov's right to play for the title.
Blue
- Sunday, November 19, 2000 at 15:13:56 (EST)

11/16/2000
Hi, Maid: ¿What do you mean by "Kramnik's integrity"?
bondadosa@hola.org
- Thursday, November 16, 2000 at 11:13:35 (EST)

11/5/2000
Que pedazo de página. menudo diseño más bonito. fino y elegante.
bertoile <yalosabes@telelin.es>
- Sunday, November 05, 2000 at 00:28:51 (EST)

11/3/2000
It must be said that the predictions of fixed match have been shot down in flames. The conspiracy theorists should, at least, have the decency to acknowledge that they were wrong in this instance. Say what you want about Kasparov, but they were directly questioning Kramnik's integrity.
Maid
- Friday, November 03, 2000 at 21:15:07 (EST)

10/25/2000
ok now I predict this in the ridiculous K vs K match. Kasparov will make a miracle. He will come back and win 2 games out of 6 and the rest will be drawn. Maybe make it even more dramatic, Gary will win 3 (one of this win be on the last game, ofcourse), Kramnik 1 and 2 will be drawn. I hope this K-K bullshit will jsut end soon and Shirov can take Gary to the gallows.. oops.. sorry the 'cort of law' and #### him royally.
freak <freak@freak.com>
- Wednesday, October 25, 2000 at 23:56:02 (EDT)

10/25/2000
I think Mr. Salov is leading Mr. Shirov astray. Has he had a hand in persuading Alex to undertake this legal action. It's a bad idea. Let Alexei concentrate on what he does best and not waste more of his time and money on lawyers.
Grouty
- Wednesday, October 25, 2000 at 23:53:14 (EDT)

10/16/2000
A legal action against the WCC had to be undertaken before the start of the KK farce. We have to apologize: our President is now on an important Karnataka mission in India and has only very limited access to Internet. When he's back we'll amplify our contributions to the forum and publish some new interesting materials to highlight the present crisis in West Asia.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Monday, October 16, 2000 at 10:54:20 (EDT)

10/11/2000
El Secretariado, please, write more! I get excited with your remarks! And JBlake and yonki, why don`t you go to wash your brain somewhere, before entering this really democratic forum.
Bigdeal <bigdeal@whitehouse.com>
Washington, USA - Wednesday, October 11, 2000 at 22:18:14 (EDT)

10/11/2000
I can ,er, dig that. Can we have some info on the Shirov legal action? Hasn't he left it all a bit late? I would very much doubt if this ever came to court. Was the timing of the announcement meant to coincide with the start of the match?
Maid
- Wednesday, October 11, 2000 at 21:54:41 (EDT)

10/11/2000
Re:maid. A spade is a spade, but sometimes it may be called a shovel as well.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Wednesday, October 11, 2000 at 09:55:44 (EDT)

10/11/2000
Cualquier persona puede hacer su propio match pero debe excluirse a una persona que ha ganado al aspirante del macht de amiguetes , no poder jugar con KASPAROV la credibilidad de KASPAROV esta por los suelos aunque la oferta para jugar con sea baja hay que jugar con la persona que es legitima vencedora de la semi verdad a partir de aqui que SHIROV lo ponga ante sus abogados si es que ha firmado algun contrato. Eso le pasa a SHIROV por ganar que crueldad del destino. Ganar nunca a sido tan caro.
Javier <FESTEBA1@terra.es>
valladolid, valladolid españa - Wednesday, October 11, 2000 at 00:34:22 (EDT)

10/9/2000
La ruindad de Kasparov, más alevosa por haberse pavoneado durante años de ser el avatar que terminaba con la tiranía de la Fide, ha alcanzado su sima más honda en el episodio que le desacredita de forma perdurable: el expolio a Alexei Shirov alegando razones de índole comercial y publicitaria. Creo que han pasado demasiados años y han cambiado mucho las condiciones desde que Steinitz o Alekhine murieran en la miseria para que los campeones sigan estando tan obsesionados por las retribuciones económicas. El olvido sistemático de la dimensión artística es más triste cuanto más se debe a ese arte. En el caso de Kasparov su aportación al deterioro del ajedrez como tal es tan notable como su talante cada vez más facineroso. Lo es sin apelación. El argumento empleado contra Shirov es tan endeble, irregular y vil que en otro escenario menos enrarecido que el del mundo del ajedrez se saldaría con balance de detenidos entre los autores de la farsa. Y encima el señor Kasparov tiene la guasa de decir que Kramnik es su más legitimo contrincante en unas pomposas declaraciones en que lo nombra su heredero natural. Cualquiera diría que el torneo está apañado para que Kramnik herede el tinglado. Señor Kasparov ofrezca cuantas razones le vengan en gana, pero la legitimidad no nos la nombre porque se nos tuerce el gesto, no sabemos si de rabia o de risa. Oir tal palabra en su boca tiene efectos tragicómicos.
Sasha Serjanov <Nebulae80@latinmail.com>
BCN, BCN España - Monday, October 09, 2000 at 12:43:28 (EDT)

10/9/2000
Could El Secretario be talking about the Jews? If he isn't then he should make it clear. I believe in calling a spade a spade.
Maid
- Monday, October 09, 2000 at 00:52:36 (EDT)

9/27/2000
Hey Mr. Blake, BTW does "J" stand for.. joker perhaps? anyways, clarify ur email? Is it jblake77.hotmail.com or jblake777@hotmail.com? Dont want to write anything nasty on a public site.. but it seeems you are begging for it... - Supporter of a Democratic Chess forum
Srinivasan Ramiah <srini@yacc-sys.com>
- Wednesday, September 27, 2000 at 01:37:00 (EDT)

9/26/2000
Re:jblake. Your display of InterNazi solidarity is heartfelt but futile. So far Kasparov and Kramnik have only proved to be two egregious crooks. It's our democratic duty to convert these "calculating animals" into "thinking animals". Kramnik's playing strength was already tested in Cazorla.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Tuesday, September 26, 2000 at 23:33:21 (EDT)

9/23/2000
El Secretariado del WPC: Come on ! Take it easy will you! The K-K match is a chess match between 2 strongest chess players in the world. Dont take it so hard! Thanks for the explanation anyway - reading it was an experience in itself.
JBlake <jblake777@hotmail.com>
- Saturday, September 23, 2000 at 22:40:26 (EDT)

9/18/2000
Sorry, had to vent my frustration here. Doing it in Kasparov Chess.com makes no sense. As there is useually no reply and no public place to post. I understand this posting has nothing to do with Shirov being "the challenger". Anyways, ist a democratic place!! check out: http://www.kasparovchess.com/serve/templates/folders/show.asp?p_docID=10322&p_docLang=EN "A PITIFUL ARTCILE" by Sergei Shipov on www.kasparovchess.com. Says everything he can to undermine Anand's victoy in the Worvld cup. Sorry, Sergei, Gelfand, Anand, Barev (however you spell it),, Milos cant win at the same time.. my man.!! Anand won.. so shut the f... up. Maybe you would like to see Gelfand win, but I wont... so thats that. Tell Garry, not to worry yet, the world press wont come after him till Anand wins the WCC in India/Iran. After that, we can start the usual bullshit of 1999. So, take care, as a journalist write more prudently.
Srinivasan Ramiah <srini@yacc-sys.com>
- Monday, September 18, 2000 at 02:46:13 (EDT)

9/17/2000
Re:jblake. The InterNazis are the individuals of the same nationality, of strong racist views, dispersed in different countries, who deceitfully seize conceptual, informational, mediatic, ideological, financial, economic, police and military control of them with the aim to oppress, exploit and exterminate autochthonous population and promulgate belief in supremacy of their race, anti-indoeuropeanism and the establishment of their metropolis by some superior force as a dominant world power. Emmanuel Kant defined InterNazis as "International gang of brigands", Voltaire called them "calculating animals", J.G.Fichte gave us a fine example of a sharp critical analysis of this racist group. These pitiful, shallow-minded individuals somehow manage to combine a high degree of mendacity, spiritual sterility and general lack of intellectual aptitudes with tragicomic conviction of being envied by the surrounding people. Kasparov-Kramnik match is a typical InterNazi affair. We'll ask our President to write a detailed report on this subject.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Sunday, September 17, 2000 at 12:36:02 (EDT)

9/13/2000
El Secretariado del WPC - What is an InterNazi? Why take recourse to pitiful English when you know very well that jealousy (against Kasparov) leads nowhere.
Jonathan Blake <jblake777@hotmail.com>
- Wednesday, September 13, 2000 at 00:59:11 (EDT)

9/9/2000
El Presidente del WPC ya ha tenido en varias ocasiones la oportunidad de refutar las "acusaciones" de este tipo. Publicamos aquí un párrafo de una de sus recientes cartas: "Representar "a la mayoría de los GMs" no pudo ser ni jamás ha sido uno de nuestros objetivos por varias razones, la principal de las cuales es la comprobada imposibilidad de elaborar una posición común y mayoritaria entre los GMs a la vista de la sempiterna veleidad, oportunismo y egocentrismo de los jugadores. Lo había intentado la GMA y fracasó estrepitosamente. Me sorprende verme atribuída una presunción tan evidentemente utópica." La actual FIDE is infinitamente más democrática que suelen ser sus detractores.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Saturday, September 09, 2000 at 12:27:55 (EDT)

9/9/2000
well I sort of take back what I said. I mean "not the part about Shirov.. he does deserve the shot @GK", but more about Anand being the one to dethrone Garry. Well actually if you think about it, it might not happen. why?? well, firstly Garry wants Kramnikto be the next champ. OK. two, Kramnik doesn't deserve the title or the shot at it. In any case whats stopping Garry from dropping the match to Vlad and regain it in a rematch a year later?? More money.. more fun for these two guys.. yeah?? Maybe they are not so corrupt, but then again, who can say anything about Garry?
Srini Ramiah <srini@yacc-sys.com>
- Saturday, September 09, 2000 at 01:03:38 (EDT)

9/8/2000
Mi mente no sé si dará frutos, pero desde luego lo que no da ningún fruto es alabar a la FIDE de una forma tan descaradamente pelota como lo está haciendo Salov en nombre de esta asociación. Tiene sus cosas buenas y malas, pero poner en nombre de la mayoría de ajedrecistas que lo están haciendo bien me parece pura demagogia. Estoy seguro que la mayoría de ajedrecistas piensa lo contrario. Tiene la teoría tan conocida de "conmigo o contra mí".... y así no se llega lejos. Seguro.
yonki <yonki@yonki.yo>
madrid - Friday, September 08, 2000 at 13:25:12 (EDT)

9/8/2000
Yonki, tu mente nunca traerá ningún fruto. Pero no te desesperes, lea "Stultitiae Laus".
bondadosa@hola.org
- Friday, September 08, 2000 at 11:48:51 (EDT)

9/7/2000
Salov está verdaderamente enloquecido y esta organización solo es fruto de su mente. No tiene ni un apoyo dentro del mundo del ajedrez y él lo sabe. Que esté afiliada en la FIDE no quiere decir nada. Absolutamente nada. A veces tiene razón pero le pierde su odio hacia los demás.
Yonki <yonki@terra.es>
madrid, - Thursday, September 07, 2000 at 16:29:50 (EDT)

9/3/2000
I still maintain, Anand as being the one to topple GK. However, I will admit its Shirov, who should have gotten the shot at GK, given A declined to play Kramink in Cazorla.
Srinivasan Ramiah <srini@yacc-sys.com>
- Sunday, September 03, 2000 at 23:53:21 (EDT)

9/2/2000
Actualmente, Shirov es el único jugador del mundo que puede ganar a Kasparov un match, como ya demostró ganandole a Kramnik. Es absurdo que Kasparov juegue el match con Kramnik, cuando Shirov reventó a este en el match de Cazorla. Un saludo, adios
Pedro Manzaneda <chicorl@supercable.es>
Jaen, Jaen España - Saturday, September 02, 2000 at 14:44:53 (EDT)

8/31/2000
Re: jblake We welcome the InterNazis to our Forum. Come, come to us our melancholic babies, we'll take care of you... Re: srini The list of the 'undersigned players' was deliberately omitted for the reasons of security. The InterNazis are overly aggressive of late and blacklist anyone who dares to challenge their totalitarian yoke. We can't jeopardize the players' careers.
El Secretariado del WPC
- Thursday, August 31, 2000 at 23:48:14 (EDT)

8/29/2000
Sorry dont see the "undersigned players" list for support for Shorov. Maybe its a well kept secret. As far as I am concerned let it be so. Their aint no support for Shirov, as only one person can beat Kasparov. Thats Anand.
Srinivasan Ramiah <srini@yacc-sys.com>
- Tuesday, August 29, 2000 at 04:09:00 (EDT)

8/29/2000
You Guys at the WPC suck big time. Valery Salov is one of the most conceited, morally bankrupt GMs ever. His attack on Seirawan is simply vulgur. Probaly Salov cant still come to grips with the fact that Kasparov plays better chess. Let it go Valery - You have reached your pinnacle of mediocrity.
Jonathan Blake <jblake77@hotmail.com>
- Tuesday, August 29, 2000 at 01:26:04 (EDT)

8/25/2000
While the Kasparov-Shirov match was attempting to find a suitable sponsor, Kasparov was telling the world that he would easily defeat Shirov in a match and that Anand would be a "better" match opponent... No wonder sponsorship interest in the Kasparov-Shirov match evaporated. Afterwards, Kasparov was saying that only Kramnik could really provide him with real competition, as he would also defeat Anand easily. So, now we have it: Kramnik -- who lost his 1998 match against Shirov -- is Kasparov's opponent. So unfair and an obvious manipulation of events by Kasparov. My advice to Shirov is to keep playing creative and highly-competitive chess, focus on always improving your game, and, someday, the title match -- and perhaps the title -- will be yours.
Jim Rickman <jimrickman@earthlink.net>
Lancaster, Massachusetts USA - Friday, August 25, 2000 at 13:20:07 (EDT)

7/28/2000
Ah yes, the charge of anti-Semitism. I wondered how long it would be before the race card was played. I'm disappointed even to see the WPC (ie. Salov and two other people) respond to it.
Jules
- Friday, July 28, 2000 at 21:33:26 (EDT)

7/28/2000
Quisiéramos recordar al Sr.Russek que él mismo está cómodamente escondido bajo el perfecto anonimato de su propio nombre.
El Secretariado del WPC
Madrid, España - Friday, July 28, 2000 at 20:41:46 (EDT)

7/27/2000
Pensé que era esta una página seria pero en vista de que es de carácter humorístico....¡Propongo que el mundialmente famoso pacificador entre semitas V. Salov nos traiga la paz en el medio oriente! Felicidades por la ocurrencia sobre mi odio "anti-indoeuropeo", nunca habia leido nada semejante pero me hizo reir en verdad. Ultima observación, cuando conteste una carta no se esconda en el anonimato, tenga la decencia de poner su nombre. Guil Russek
Guil Russek
Mexico, D.F. Mexico - Thursday, July 27, 2000 at 14:33:52 (EDT)

7/27/2000
El presidente del WPC es mundialmente famoso como gran amigo, hermano, conocedor, defensor y pacificador de los semitas. Por otra parte, sospechamos que detrás de la vacua y necia palabrería del Sr.Russek pueda estar escondido un salvaje y visceral anti-indoeuropeo. Recomendamos al Sr.Russek que muestre en adelante más cordura en sus superficiales y racistas observaciones.
El Secretariado del WPC
Madrid, España - Thursday, July 27, 2000 at 02:26:05 (EDT)

7/25/2000
Solo quiero disentir sobre los comentarios prejuiciosos y ofensivos del GM Salov sobre los "americanos" en general asi como su marcado antisemitismo: estos juicios superficiales merman el valor de sus opiniones sobre los temas ajedrecisticos. Le sugiero que juzgue a las personas de forma mas inteligente y menos visceral. Atte MI Guil Russek
Guil Russek <russeks@servidor.unam.mx>
Mexico D.F., Mexico - Tuesday, July 25, 2000 at 02:48:55 (EDT)

7/14/2000
Kasparov, Im going to smash your face in for what you done to Shirov. And if you have your bodyguards in London then I'll go through them as well.
Potomac
- Friday, July 14, 2000 at 21:35:59 (EDT)

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